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(03-18-2017, 04:38 PM)tomh009 Wrote: [ -> ]Sure.  But it'll be quite a drive from Cambridge, too -- probably more convenient driving to Milton anyway.

In the downtown-uptown corridor, though, it'll definitely add to the convenience.

I would think so but the report does reference capturing people from Cambridge. I'm sure it would attract more people from waterloo and the bridgeport area
Access from Preston and Hespeler will be better than for Galt.
(03-18-2017, 05:00 PM)SammyOES2 Wrote: [ -> ]The transit station in Breslau has little overlap with the downtown development imo.  They're serving different groups of people with realistically little overlap.

As for 'choosing where to live', we're experiencing large growth in this area and it has to go places.  The whole point of building a go station in Breslau is to encourage more sustainable growth in these areas where growth is inevitable.

Note, this is another reason to put the station where it's being proposed instead of on fountain or on Shantz station.  It's going to be a lot easier to collect non-drivers from the immediate surrounding sub division that is going to be built.

I agree there are different "groups" of people that are trying to be served, but it is this lack of forward thinking in the first place that have resulted in different groups of people needing to be served now. 

We can't change the existing urban form overnight, but a station like this is not the answer and will only allow and encourage people to live and sprawl further and perpetuate the cycle of sprawl. I don't think the growth that will result from this station will be very sustainable at all given that most of the surrounding land is set aside for low density residential (i.e single-family homes).
First, there's nothing wrong with this type of development as long as people pay a realistic portion of the cost. There's nothing inherently unsustainable about single family houses. At least nothing that doesn't apply to almost every human anywhere.

Second, this area is experiencing high growth. It's not realistic to say there won't be new residential areas and everything should be intensification.

Third, I believe there is some medium density and small apartments in the development plan. But it's been awhile since I looked at the plan.

Finally, the growth IS happening. So regardless of what you think should have been done in the past, it's not particularly relevant to the current situation. And making the development more sustainable is worth it even if it's not completely sustainable. I don't see how the absence of the station would actually help.
(03-19-2017, 01:38 PM)Pheidippides Wrote: [ -> ]We can't change the existing urban form overnight, but a station like this is not the answer and will only allow and encourage people to live and sprawl further and perpetuate the cycle of sprawl. I don't think the growth that will result from this station will be very sustainable at all given that most of the surrounding land is set aside for low density residential (i.e single-family homes).

you could say having a go station in Kitchener to begin with encouraging sprawl since otherwise the people commuting would live closer or in downtown Toronto
(03-19-2017, 07:05 PM)SammyOES2 Wrote: [ -> ]First, there's nothing wrong with this type of development as long as people pay a realistic portion of the cost.  There's nothing inherently unsustainable about single family houses.  At least nothing that doesn't apply to almost every human anywhere.

Second, this area is experiencing high growth.  It's not realistic to say there won't be new residential areas and everything should be intensification.

Third, I believe there is some medium density and small apartments in the development plan.  But it's been awhile since I looked at the plan.

Finally, the growth IS happening. So regardless of what you think should have been done in the past, it's not particularly relevant to the current situation.  And making the development more sustainable is worth it even if it's not completely sustainable.  I don't see how the absence of the station would actually help.

This first point is the key though.  They won't be paying the cost.  I don't think we should continue to support highly subsidized and unsustainable sprawl.  There isn't anything "wrong" with it, except that the economics are entirely broken right now.
The economics of the lifestyle you want also require a whole bunch of subsidies. Our whole society relies on subsidies. That's not enough to make something not worth doing.

But aside from that, my point is that it's not inherent that they don't 'pay the costs'. So focus on those costs and make arguments for shifting the burdens. And avoid the blanket statements.

Edit: And of course my other points still stand.
GO buses return to Charles Street Terminal on April 8 with new stops both ways at Victoria/King.
(03-20-2017, 12:22 PM)yige_t Wrote: [ -> ]GO buses return to Charles Street Terminal on April 8 with new stops both ways at Victoria/King.

Wonderful news!  Do you have a source link?

Also, do you know where on Victoria/King?  Given I live near Victoria/Park this could be a lot closer to me.
Quote:Route 25 (Waterloo/Mississauga):
  • A new Saturday eastbound trip will depart University of Waterloo at 10:35 p.m. and arrive at Square One at 12:20 a.m.

  • Service will be rerouted to again stop at the Kitchener Bus Terminal on Charles St. and on King St. at Montgomery Rd. now that downtown road construction for the ION LRT is nearly complete.

  • Buses will now also stop on Victoria St. at King St.

  • Some trips that serve schools will once again be suspended for the spring/summer season due to typically lower ridership during this time.

http://www.gotransit.com/public/en/updat...anges.aspx

Once GTFS data gets released (or when the signs are erected... whichever comes first)  we should know the exact stop location, but I presume it will be nearside stops on Victoria at King both ways.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the inbound stop located in front of Pharmacy/school of medicine. There's already stop infrastructure there, and the way people speed around that curve, it's safer to not have them come up on the backside of a bus at 90, or at least to have more stopping distance. When it becomes a no-left-turn intersection, you could make the right-only lane be a right-only, buses excepted, and the GO/other buses could just drive straight through to the stop.
(03-20-2017, 03:55 PM)Viewfromthe42 Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't be surprised to see the inbound stop located in front of Pharmacy/school of medicine. There's already stop infrastructure there, and the way people speed around that curve, it's safer to not have them come up on the backside of a bus at 90, or at least to have more stopping distance. When it becomes a no-left-turn intersection, you could make the right-only lane be a right-only, buses excepted, and the GO/other buses could just drive straight through to the stop.
Umm... you mean stopping right on top of ION tracks, here?

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I'm not sure if that will fly.

(by inbound I'm assuming you mean Mississauga/Brampton-bound.)
(03-20-2017, 08:14 PM)yige_t Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-20-2017, 03:55 PM)Viewfromthe42 Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't be surprised to see the inbound stop located in front of Pharmacy/school of medicine. There's already stop infrastructure there, and the way people speed around that curve, it's safer to not have them come up on the backside of a bus at 90, or at least to have more stopping distance. When it becomes a no-left-turn intersection, you could make the right-only lane be a right-only, buses excepted, and the GO/other buses could just drive straight through to the stop.
Umm... you mean stopping right on top of ION tracks, here?



I'm not sure if that will fly.

(by inbound I'm assuming you mean Mississauga/Brampton-bound.)

I'm guessing he's assuming that "inbound" (being Mississauga/Brampton originating) buses will be traveling east on Victoria, on account of, they're coming from the Charles St. terminal and heading to either campus or to the train station.
No, I meant inbound to Charles, but yes my mind slipped and imagined the pre-track Victoria, completely my bad and obviously there will not be a stop that drops people onto LRT tracks. But indeed I will be interested to see whether the speeding cars rounding eastbound on Victoria will get into trouble here, I already see them brake hard at surprise red lights and such.
I can see buses coming down Weber from the university, turning at Victoria and then at King, so stopping in front of One Victoria.

Alternately, they could stop at the Transit Hub site just before the intersection, but that would be less ideal.