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(01-29-2016, 11:55 AM)Pheidippides Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-28-2016, 08:27 PM)D40LF Wrote: [ -> ]Plans from years ago called for route 9 to be rerouted through the R & T Park with a new route between UW and Northlake via Hazel, Albert, and Weber

Isn't that what the route 9 late night loop already does?

GRT seems to be fairly incremental about the system wide changes; I expect that will continue. I don't think we will go to bed one night and the next morning when Ion is up and running have a completely different network.

I think after the #7 rationalization takes place they could probably re-route the 201 from King/Columbia to follow the current 200's route through Northfield/Parkside/North campus; especially if we end up with an "express" 7 going straight down King.

I could also see an new express running from the Boardwalk north, up Erbsville and across Conservation down Westmount and across Northfield and down Weber, especially once that Beaver Meadows District is built out.

Recognizing that I am also contributing, but perhaps this conversation needs to be moved over to the GRT thread; it is drifting a little bit off of Ion.

Wait: is this what is going to happen? GRT went only so far with the rationalization of the 7, and I don’t remember anyone saying authoritatively how the 7 would eventually look.

The express service you just theorized sounds very convoluted to me. I don’t think the Beaver Meadows development would justify frequent rapid bus service on Conservation.

When you think about issues like this (how is McCormick going to continue getting good service?), it becomes especially clear how convoluted our street networks are. I don’t think McCormick needs express service right along Parkside necessarily- a good local service feeding into one or more rapid services might make sense. Retooling 9 to do that shouldn’t be too complicated.
I've been playing around on MyMaps with how to interface bus routes with the northern part of ION...
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I've included the ION route for clarity. For line clarity, I've omitted iXpress routes. I'm not sure if what's going on in Northwestern Waterloo makes the most sense. Trying to make bus routes that are both direct and have good enough service coverage in that area is a challenge.

Route Descriptions

1 Queen-River: Removed from Charles St Terminal
2 Forest Heights: Extended along Stirling, Borden, and East, and Frederick to serve The Aud, Frederick Mall, and businesses near Bruce/Victoria.
4 Glasgow-Union: Modified to serve Belmont  Shifts from Weber to Margaret
5 Erb-Bridgeport: No Change
6 Bridge St: No Change
7 King St: One branch along King St
8 Midtown Loop: Southern loop deleted (replaced by other routes). Northern loop truncated at Victoria and shifted from Belmont Ave to Park St in the west.
9 Hazel-Belmont: Orange Line on Map. Changed to serve Belmont, Uptown, Hazel, and Parkside. Some trips extended to Lake Louse Blvd.
11 Strasburg: Follows Courtland, Ottawa, and Strasburg Road. Replaces Part of Route 8
12 Westmount: Route Terminated at UW Ring Road
13 Laurelwood: Extended east along University and north on King to Conestoga Mall
15 Weber: Connects Northfield and King Central ION stations via Weber St. Runs on King through Downtown Kitchener and returns to Weber south of Frederick. This route would largely replace the function of Route 8 Weber.
18 Southdale-Vanier (NEW): Green Line running from Charles St Terminal. Largely replaces the function of Route 8 Courtland. Serves Highland Rd E and Vanier Dr.
20 Victoria-Frederick: No Change
24 Lakeshore: Largely replaces the role of Route 9. Route travels from UW Ring Road to Conestoga Mall
29 Keats Way-Lincoln: Extended roughly along former path of Route 12 through eastern Waterloo
31 Columbia-Eastbridge: No Change. Possibly could be diverted to directly serve the UW ION stop.
That looks good!

Although they might need to change route 8 to be route 0 with this plan. Smile
I'm still hoping Laurelwood punches through to Wes Graham, and Wes Graham punches through at the R&T station to Phillip so the 13 can move accordingly and that LRT station can get some real connections. There's room to make some kind of awesome station area there, with everything right around the station being un-or under-developed it seems the place where we could really end up with a nice and inviting new part of town; one that could be very transit focused.
Is there any hope for a bus to go down Seagram to meet ION at Waterloo Park?
(01-31-2016, 09:52 PM)timc Wrote: [ -> ]Is there any hope for a bus to go down Seagram to meet ION at Waterloo Park?

Serving the Seagram station is a tricky proposition. By doing so, you'd have the move any bus route away from the trip generators on University Ave. You could also potentially end up in a situation where the bus is used as a 600m moving sidewalk for those heading from Laurier - Waterloo Park (the station) to Laurier the campus.
600 m moving sidewalk - you mean, the bus acting as a shuttle between the campus and the station?
(01-31-2016, 10:25 PM)dunkalunk Wrote: [ -> ]Serving the Seagram station is a tricky proposition. By doing so, you'd have the move any bus route away from the trip generators on University Ave. You could also potentially end up in a situation where the bus is used as a 600m moving sidewalk for those heading from Laurier - Waterloo Park (the station) to Laurier the campus.

It seems that if you moved it from University to Seagram, you would change a bus from being a "moving sidewalk" to UW to being a "moving sidewalk" to Laurier. But it would also become a needed ION connection.

What's wrong with a shuttle connection from ION to Laurier?
(02-01-2016, 07:32 AM)timc Wrote: [ -> ]It seems that if you moved it from University to Seagram, you would change a bus from being a "moving sidewalk" to UW to being a "moving sidewalk" to Laurier. But it would also become a needed ION connection.

What's wrong with a shuttle connection from ION to Laurier?

Interesting idea. Way back, I did raise the possibility of establishing Seagram as a transfer point for through routes as a way to hack around the poor UW stop placement.

Still, I think that if you're going to talk about transit from ION to Laurier (in particular the parts of Laurier not closest to Seagram), I think you're still best off looking at something from the UW station, ideally through an access road to Phillip. The reason being: why run a Laurier shuttle from a special stop, when you can run a Laurier shuttle (or even a regular high frequency route) from the UW stop serving not only ION riders, but also students who have courses on either campus?
It would be very ridiculous for the city to push hard for Hickory to break through to Philip, only to have UW develop the lands between Philip and Ring Road so intensively as to make connections horrible.
I don't know what the current state of plans are, but I do believe it still involves something like a transitway between UW Davis Centre and Phillip. This will be a huge boon for cross-town routes on University and Columbia.

(Not as good for transferring passengers as simply having LRT stations at University and at Columbia, but understandable given the planned easterly shift of UW's centre of gravity.)

The lack of a concrete plan is a little worrying, though. This change literally can't happen soon enough.
(01-14-2016, 05:11 PM)zanate Wrote: [ -> ]Great to find this out! Living behind Mount Hope cemetery, I'd given up on the 200 (Weber/Union just too far) but Weber/Guelph is viable. In fact, it's just a few steps further away from my place than the old GRH stop was/future ION stop will be.

It's also a few hundred metres closer to the hospital than Weber/Union. Good. Still over a km, though.

I did e-mail GRT about this, and received the response:

"The challenge with providing express service is balancing accessibility for residents with the intended express limited-stop nature of the route to connect major destinations—the detour has already added unavoidable run time to the iXpress service. As such, we will not continue to service these detour stops when the detour changes. We have, however, noted your concerns and will consider options to better service residents as planning for the area moves forward."

However, updates to the 'Detours' page now seem to me to be saying that these stops will be serviced so long as King below William is closed- up to nine months, or longer. I think that's what I'm reading, anyway. If so, good news, and maybe they'll find that the stops are well-used during that time.
(01-31-2016, 12:06 AM)dunkalunk Wrote: [ -> ]I've been playing around on MyMaps with how to interface bus routes with the northern part of ION...

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This is very good. Rerouting the 4 from Weber to Margaret makes a lot of sense, and then you serve Weber with a very logical route from downtown to Northfield. And the 9 makes sense to me, connecting downtown and uptown and beyond through Belmont.
I had an excellent experience with GRT this morning! A car accident in a nearby intersection put my stop out of service, but it wasn't obvious as buses were still running on the other side and cars were moving through the intersection.  Just as we were realizing the bus must have been diverted around and wasn't going to come, a supervisor drove up and brought us (only 2 of us waiting) to catch up to the SAME bus.  Awesome!

I have generally been noticing their customer service to be improving, but today was above and beyond.  Big Grin
(02-02-2016, 07:23 PM)curious_look Wrote: [ -> ]I had an excellent experience with GRT this morning! A car accident in a nearby intersection put my stop out of service, but it wasn't obvious as buses were still running on the other side and cars were moving through the intersection.  Just as we were realizing the bus must have been diverted around and wasn't going to come, a supervisor drove up and brought us (only 2 of us waiting) to catch up to the SAME bus.  Awesome!

I have generally been noticing their customer service to be improving, but today was above and beyond.  Big Grin

You should let them know that this was a notably good experience for you: http://www.grt.ca/en/travelwithus/feed_back.asp

God knows a lot of us let them know when it's a notably bad experience.