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(07-26-2015, 11:56 AM)jerryhung Wrote: [ -> ](I have NEXUS & Global Entry, but yes, transit from ORD T5 to Domestic terminals on train is annoying)

Heh, every time I'm in Chicago (having driven there), I always make sure I go up to the O'Hare specifically to take a ride on their VAL 256 Smile I call it the "Big Val", since the trains are much, much fatter than the VAL systems in Lille or Toulouse (206/208).

"This train serves.  Airline Terminal Number 1.  AIRLINE terminal Number 2.  RE mote parh-king.  The next stop serves?  RE mote parh-king."

Fun fact:  About half of their trains came from Jacksonville, which also ran VAL 256... then they ripped it out, and replaced it with a Universal Mobility (now Bombardier) Monorail, and ORD bought the surplus trains.
(07-25-2015, 10:37 AM)tomh009 Wrote: [ -> ]
(07-25-2015, 10:06 AM)BuildingScout Wrote: [ -> ]This would be true if SFO was a destination only. However it is also a hub. By my estimation there are somewhere between 15 to 40 daily trips from RoW with SFO as a destination, to which we need to add people connecting on to Hong Kong, Singapore, India, Hawaii, Philippines, and Australia. This can easily fill to capacity a CRJ200/LR every day of the week or a CRJ705 at 80-90%.

Neither aircraft you suggest has enough range.  YKF-SFO is 1932nm, and you need to allow margin due to winds (which are not always favourable).  CRJ200LR is closest, but at 2004nm of range you end up with only 72nm of margin, and that's simply not enough.

That aside, you would also be taking away traffic from the YKF-ORD route, which might (or might not) be a problem as well.

JFK or MIA would make much more sense, giving connections to the east coast and Europe/Latin America.  And no problems with range.

I have been told that a NYC based destination is unlikely, due to difficulty with US CBP clearance.  Apparently, Envoy Air (Operating American Eagle flights) doesn't have access to the International Terminal, only American Airlines itself.  Toronto having pre-clearance can do NYC airports.  I've also been told that if American was going to do an East Coast flight, it would most likely be to the hub in Philly.

Trust me, I am one person who desperately wants to see AA increase their destinations from YKF! Smile

Coke
From today's e-Record:


Waterloo Region Record
By Paige Desmond  

WATERLOO REGION — Las Vegas, New York and Ottawa are just a few of the top destinations for local residents and airport officials are using that information to try and draw new flights.
"It really is up to the airlines to decide where they want to serve," said airport manager Chris Wood. "We can provide them with all this detail and at the end of the day it's what works for the airline."
A business plan for the Region of Waterloo International Airport, crafted in 2009, looked at the most popular U.S. and Canadian destinations for local residents.
It found local people flew most often to Orlando, Las Vegas, Chicago, New York and Los Angeles in the U.S.   In Canada, Calgary, Vancouver, Montreal, Ottawa and Halifax attracted the most people. ...

http://www.therecord.com/news-story/5771...-new-york/
(08-03-2015, 10:19 PM)panamaniac Wrote: [ -> ]From today's e-Record:


Waterloo Region Record
By Paige Desmond  

WATERLOO REGION — Las Vegas, New York and Ottawa are just a few of the top destinations for local residents and airport officials are using that information to try and draw new flights.
"It really is up to the airlines to decide where they want to serve," said airport manager Chris Wood. "We can provide them with all this detail and at the end of the day it's what works for the airline."
A business plan for the Region of Waterloo International Airport, crafted in 2009, looked at the most popular U.S. and Canadian destinations for local residents.
It found local people flew most often to Orlando, Las Vegas, Chicago, New York and Los Angeles in the U.S.   In Canada, Calgary, Vancouver, Montreal, Ottawa and Halifax attracted the most people. ...

http://www.therecord.com/news-story/5771...-new-york/

Quote:The study said regional residents make 1.4 million air trips each year, with most originating from airports in other cities, including Hamilton, Toronto, Detroit and Buffalo.

Nearly one and a half million air trips a year by regional residents suggests there is a lot of room for expansion at the airport.   Of the popular destinations mentioned, Montreal would be my first choice since we go there more often than the other cities.
(08-04-2015, 08:59 AM)jgsz Wrote: [ -> ]Nearly one and a half million air trips a year by regional residents suggests there is a lot of room for expansion at the airport.   Of the popular destinations mentioned, Montreal would be my first choice since we go there more often than the other cities.


Correct, however I have questions about the viability of Ottawa and Montreal. Those seem to be destinations where people are happy to drive and of waning importance as commercial destinations. So they are going against the tide, so to speak. Flights to hubs is the way to go. Some subset of JFK, ORD, LAS, DEN, LAX, SFO, DFW, HOU, MIA, ATL.
I wonder if a YKF-Ottawa-Halifax or a YKF-Montreal-Halifax route would have better prospects? Perhaps once WestJet Encore expands its routes?
(08-04-2015, 07:36 PM)panamaniac Wrote: [ -> ]I wonder if a YKF-Ottawa-Halifax or a YKF-Montreal-Halifax route would have better prospects?  Perhaps once WestJet Encore expands its routes?

I think this makes a lot of sense. This way you can either use a larger, more comfortable plane or have extra runs. Either way, it makes the route more viable.
(08-04-2015, 05:25 PM)BuildingScout Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-04-2015, 08:59 AM)jgsz Wrote: [ -> ]Nearly one and a half million air trips a year by regional residents suggests there is a lot of room for expansion at the airport.   Of the popular destinations mentioned, Montreal would be my first choice since we go there more often than the other cities.


Correct, however I have questions about the viability of Ottawa and Montreal. Those seem to be destinations where people are happy to drive and of waning importance as commercial destinations. So they are going against the tide, so to speak. Flights to hubs is the way to go. Some subset of JFK, ORD, LAS, DEN, LAX, SFO, DFW, HOU, MIA, ATL.

Montreal wouldn't be the most viable destination (although we'd use it) and I'd be happy just to have more options from YKF.  Flights to a few hubs would be wonderful.
(08-03-2015, 09:51 PM)Coke6pk Wrote: [ -> ]I have been told that a NYC based destination is unlikely, due to difficulty with US CBP clearance.  Apparently, Envoy Air (Operating American Eagle flights) doesn't have access to the International Terminal, only American Airlines itself.  Toronto having pre-clearance can do NYC airports. 

YTZ has no pre-clearance facilities yet they can still fly to EWR.

On the other hand, AA doesn't have much of a presence at EWR so it's an unlikely destination from YKF.
I have read all of your thoughts and want to assure all of you that we are working hard to bring more service to YKF. Ottawa and Montreal are next in line, and we are hopeful a carrier sees the opportunity we know exists. As for the others, you never know. Jet naked, Canada Jetlines and Newleaf could change the landscape significantly for Regional airports.

JFK, LGA, and EWR are really tough from YKF for different reasons as have been mentioned. We are going after PHL. Better connections but less of an end destination, but they have capacity.

I would be open to host this group at a session at the airport (field trip!!!) ha ha. Maybe we could do a tour and then i could show you what we present to the airlines? Anyone interested?

YKF GM
(08-05-2015, 09:05 AM)ykf_gm Wrote: [ -> ]I have read all of your thoughts and want to assure all of you that we are working hard to bring more service to YKF.  Ottawa and Montreal are next in line, and we are hopeful a carrier sees the opportunity we know exists.  As for the others, you never know.  Jet naked, Canada Jetlines and Newleaf could change the landscape significantly for Regional airports.

JFK, LGA, and EWR are really tough from YKF for different reasons as have been mentioned.  We are going after PHL.  Better connections but less of an end destination, but they have capacity.

I would be open to host this group at a session at the airport (field trip!!!) ha ha. Maybe we could do a tour and then i could show you what we present to the airlines?  Anyone interested?

YKF GM

I'm in.
(08-05-2015, 09:05 AM)ykf_gm Wrote: [ -> ]We are going after PHL.  Better connections but less of an end destination, but they have capacity.

For people in ROW who want to travel to NYC downtown, how do these two compare in terms of time, hassle and cost?

1. drive to YYZ (or YTZ), park at YYZ, fly to LGA/EWR, taxi (subway?) to Manhattan
2. fly YKF to PHL, PHL to Amtrak station, Amtrak to Manhattan

According to Google it's a 15 min ride on SEPTA (like GO) from PHL to the Amtrak station and then 1 to 1½ hours to Manhattan Penn Central. That's about how long it takes to drive from ROW to YYZ, but hopefully more reliable.

Is this a viable way to do an end-run around YYZ to get to Manhattan?
(08-05-2015, 09:05 AM)ykf_gm Wrote: [ -> ] Jet naked, Canada Jetlines and Newleaf could change the landscape significantly for Regional airports.

I'm not familiar with those airlines.  Are any of them similar to Ryanair or Wizz Air that tend to service secondary airports for less money?
(08-05-2015, 09:05 AM)ykf_gm Wrote: [ -> ]I have read all of your thoughts and want to assure all of you that we are working hard to bring more service to YKF.  Ottawa and Montreal are next in line, and we are hopeful a carrier sees the opportunity we know exists.  As for the others, you never know.  Jet naked, Canada Jetlines and Newleaf could change the landscape significantly for Regional airports.

JFK, LGA, and EWR are really tough from YKF for different reasons as have been mentioned.  We are going after PHL.  Better connections but less of an end destination, but they have capacity.

I would be open to host this group at a session at the airport (field trip!!!) ha ha. Maybe we could do a tour and then i could show you what we present to the airlines?  Anyone interested?

YKF GM

I'm interested.
As am I.