I am not advocating the way they handled the situation but, in fairness, we have only seen the video and don't have all the facts. It is their behaivour that displeased me. They may have been in their right to ask him to leave, but as an owner of a business that is based on customer service, they should have been polite. If he refused, then call the police to assist.
(11-12-2021, 03:29 PM)Rainrider22 Wrote: [ -> ]I am not advocating the way they handled the situation but, in fairness, we have only seen the video and don't have all the facts. It is their behaivour that displeased me. They may have been in their right to ask him to leave, but as an owner of a business that is based on customer service, they should have been polite. If he refused, then call the police to assist.
I don't think the rest of the facts change anything.
The man wasn't being violent in any way, and they assaulted him. That's a criminal act no matter what else happened.
I'm not too clear on the specifics, but Ron Donaldson from Contrabean, and Shelby Merrithew (previously the head coffee roaster for Smile Tiger) have started a shared coffee roasting space, the
KW Coffee Collective. My read on it is that it's somewhat akin to a Maker Space, but for coffee roasters.
I gather they're located in the same building as City Cafe at Ottawa and Charles. It is interesting to see how development is occurring in the far south end of DTK.
The Duke of Wellington has their sign up at 100 King S (where 18 Fir used to be).
The owners of Milton's have made a statement to the press:
https://kitchener.ctvnews.ca/owner-of-ki...-1.5664480
They essentially don't contradict the general story we've heard which is consistent with the statements in the video, that two people from the bar, went up to the guy and demanded he give them private papers, he asked who they were, and they threatened to assault him, and eventually made good on their threats by assaulting him.
What bugs me is the implicit assumption that the restaurant owners have, and frankly, that way too many commentors have, that you are permitted to assault someone if you believe they are in the wrong.
Assaulting someone is never allowed, under any circumstances other than in self defense as a proportional response to an immediate threat to one's safety.
(11-12-2021, 03:29 PM)Rainrider22 Wrote: [ -> ]I am not advocating the way they handled the situation but, in fairness, we have only seen the video and don't have all the facts. It is their behaivour that displeased me. They may have been in their right to ask him to leave, but as an owner of a business that is based on customer service, they should have been polite. If he refused, then call the police to assist.
A business absolutely has the right to remove any customer, but it really has to be on legal grounds. As I said before, I have a sneaking suspicion that alcohol was involve. Factor in a customer with several mental disorders (like anxiety and Asperger's) and it's a recipe for disaster. And most likely they (the owners) approached the man in the wrong way -- if two random guys are coming at me when I am seated in the restaurant, I most likely wouldn't give them the time of day either.
My last Google search of them says restaurant is temporarily closed.
(11-13-2021, 11:13 PM)jeffster Wrote: [ -> ] (11-12-2021, 03:29 PM)Rainrider22 Wrote: [ -> ]I am not advocating the way they handled the situation but, in fairness, we have only seen the video and don't have all the facts. It is their behaivour that displeased me. They may have been in their right to ask him to leave, but as an owner of a business that is based on customer service, they should have been polite. If he refused, then call the police to assist.
A business absolutely has the right to remove any customer, but it really has to be on legal grounds. As I said before, I have a sneaking suspicion that alcohol was involve. Factor in a customer with several mental disorders (like anxiety and Asperger's) and it's a recipe for disaster. And most likely they (the owners) approached the man in the wrong way -- if two random guys are coming at me when I am seated in the restaurant, I most likely wouldn't give them the time of day either.
My last Google search of them says restaurant is temporarily closed.
A restaurant may have legal grounds to ask a customer to leave. That is not the same has having the right to assault a person. If a person who you have a legal right to remove is non-cooperative, but non-violent, you can call the police. They are the ONLY ones in our society permitted to use force to gain compliance.
Whether they should, or there are other things that could be tried is an entirely different discussion. What is absolutely crystal clear is that a citizen using force against a non-threatening non-violent person to try and force them into compliance is a criminal act called assault.
The fact that people think this is actually an okay thing to do, frankly scares the bejesus out of me.
As for them being closed, they are being actively protested, so I'm not shocked, and can't say that I'm particularly upset.
(11-11-2021, 06:54 PM)plam Wrote: [ -> ]To continue on that topic, there was a wild NY Times Magazine piece about sushi in the US: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021...hi-us.html. The majority of non-salmon non-tuna comes essentially from a branch of a cult. On the other hand, in NZ, it is almost impossible to get non-salmon sushi (kind of sucks). Now I understand more why that is the case.
NYT covered it now, but Chicago Tribune reported on it 15 years ago already (and in a much more readable article):
https://www.chicagotribune.com/investiga...story.html
Are the moonies a cult? Maybe, depending on your definition. Probably on a roughly similar level (on the cult scale) with the mormons and the jehova's witnesses. Personally, it would not stop me from eating the sushi.
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I didn't realize that Waterloo had been re-christened "Waterloo Tech Town".
Odd question, but have any of the pics of this incident shown the service animal itself?
As I understand it, there is no basis for asking for documentation if the dog is clearly identified as a service dog by its harness.
(11-14-2021, 10:38 PM)panamaniac Wrote: [ -> ]As I understand it, there is no basis for asking for documentation if the dog is clearly identified as a service dog by its harness.
The Ontario Human Rights Tribunal has ruled that it is OK to ask for documentation given the "notorious" availability of such harnesses being easily available for sale on line with no checking who is buying.
https://archdisabilitylaw.ca/focus-the-l...n-ontario/
A new sushi restaurant coming to the Duke Food Block. A good selection of nigiri and it's not AYCE! Hoping that the quality is decent ...
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