For the life of me, I cannot understand why so many people are opposed to more proportionality in our electoral system.
Why should the person who voted for Ford get infinitely more say in our governance than I, who didn't? What makes them so special.
As for functioning systems, yes, you end up with many smaller parties, that seems to work well in most places. People are diverse, there are many more viewpoints than three (or really two) which *should* be represented. Moreover, places with these types of electoral systems have been not less stable than we have, and have far less swings in policy. We're hardly one to speak about extreme views in our government, the US also doesn't have proportional representation, and they're the King of not being able to speak about extremism.
Plenty of countries have proven PR works well, our system results in a relatively dictatorial government not having to care about the other constituents, and getting completely reversed every election. How that is better than cooperation and slow sober thought, I have no idea.
(06-21-2018, 11:33 AM)plam Wrote: [ -> ]Multi-member ridings are probably also necessary.
Probably with a PR system, but not with a ranked ballot system and certainly not with run-offs.
(06-21-2018, 05:37 PM)creative Wrote: [ -> ]Examples please!
Of countries where PR works? I believe Germany and New Zealand were already given as examples.
The statements about those was that they "weren't perfect". Which is to say, they're a real implementation, it's never going to be perfect, but we can try for better, FPTP is definitely worse.
(06-21-2018, 10:01 AM)Viewfromthe42 Wrote: [ -> ]No system is perfect. I work with people from Germany and New Zealand, who both have proportional representation, and their experience is that you wind up with many different parties, none ever broad enough to get anything near a majority, none of their other large competition willing to work with them, and the minor parties able to crown the winner by extracting very extreme portions of their platform from whoever they crown. Often this can be extremely xenophobic in its result.
What xenophobic party has made it into a governing coalition in (post-war) Germany? For sure I can't remember any.
Yes, the anti-immigrant NZ First is in government today. But no actual cuts to immigration have been made.
I believe it is unprecedented. Has the bureaucracy gone rogue? No, they are doing the government in waiting's bidding (expressed verbally rather than in writing, I'd wager). Is that appropriate? Probably not, but failing to do so would be career limiting and bureaucrats know on which side their bread is buttered ...
On the other hand, it could lead to a lawsuit challenging the decision for people affected by the program cancellation if it were, in fact, cancelled unlawfully.
(06-22-2018, 07:19 AM)jamincan Wrote: [ -> ]On the other hand, it could lead to a lawsuit challenging the decision for people affected by the program cancellation if it were, in fact, cancelled unlawfully.
The energy program has been extended to October 31 now. So much better...
(06-22-2018, 08:02 AM)Rainrider22 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-22-2018, 07:19 AM)jamincan Wrote: [ -> ]On the other hand, it could lead to a lawsuit challenging the decision for people affected by the program cancellation if it were, in fact, cancelled unlawfully.
The energy program has been extended to October 31 now. So much better...
Installation deadline, yes. Applications were stopped without warning, though.
(06-22-2018, 07:19 AM)jamincan Wrote: [ -> ]On the other hand, it could lead to a lawsuit challenging the decision for people affected by the program cancellation if it were, in fact, cancelled unlawfully.
(06-22-2018, 11:38 AM)tomh009 Wrote: [ -> ] (06-22-2018, 08:02 AM)Rainrider22 Wrote: [ -> ]The energy program has been extended to October 31 now. So much better...
Installation deadline, yes. Applications were stopped without warning, though.
The October 31st deadline is for applications, which are submitted after the eligible work is complete. What has been shut down are new orders that would be eligible to make application (i.e. if you order new windows today, rather than a few weeks ago, you will not be able to apply for a rebate).
OK -- but regardless, no advance notice.
(06-22-2018, 12:27 PM)tomh009 Wrote: [ -> ]OK -- but regardless, no advance notice.
There is a sort of logic in that - DoFo would have wanted to avoid a rush on what he considers to be a bad program. Especially when he has left that program unfunded.
(06-28-2018, 10:35 PM)danbrotherston Wrote: [ -> ]I'll add it to my depressing list.
It's funny. I see things totally different. I am not down at all. I see many positive things going on. I guess I am a glass is half full kinda guy.