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RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - clasher - 05-09-2017

Eventually someone will burn it down and that will at least take care of the heritage concern.... bringing back the 90s style of urban evolution.


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - Viewfromthe42 - 05-09-2017

Just because people don't like what's currently in some situation, doesn't mean they'll accept any reasonable alternative. The electrohome building, I'm sure the residents would happily see the city take a million-dollar hit to sell the building for $1, and would accept zero heritage preservation to turn it into 2-3 homes identical to theirs, but that's not reasonable, even if the current situation is not reasonable either.


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - darts - 05-09-2017

How many years of not paying taxes did it take for them to rack up $1 million in back taxes?


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - tomh009 - 05-09-2017

OK, so I found my answer as to what can they do next:

What happens to the property if the Municipality does not receive any tenders?

The Municipality has two years from the date of the failed tax sale to vest the property to the Municipality or re-advertise the property for sale.

The city should be able to take over ownership at this point, so from that point of view the tax sale could even be viewed as a success as the city will now have full control over the property.  Assuming I understood this correctly!


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - jgsz - 05-10-2017

I was at Frederick Mall yesterday and noticed that a Walk-In Clinic opened.  For better or worse, Frederick Mall is now mainly a medical centre.


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - MidTowner - 05-10-2017

If the City takes ownership of the Electrohome building, it will be on the hook for big clean-up costs. But hopefully it has greater wherewithal than a private company would to access funding from other levels of government for the clean-up (I am assuming there are funding programs for this).

Get ready for big arguments about what "should" be done with this if it's suddenly a City property. A lot of neighbours will argue that it should be a park or even a community since we're "under-served" (we're probably not). Of course there will be those talking about the heritage aspect, and how deep they feel the City's pockets are. I think it will be a long process.


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - Smore - 05-10-2017

(05-10-2017, 07:22 AM)MidTowner Wrote: If the City takes ownership of the Electrohome building, it will be on the hook for big clean-up costs. But hopefully it has greater wherewithal than a private company would to access funding from other levels of government for the clean-up (I am assuming there are funding programs for this).

Get ready for big arguments about what "should" be done with this if it's suddenly a City property. A lot of neighbours will argue that it should be a park or even a community since we're "under-served" (we're probably not). Of course there will be those talking about the heritage aspect, and how deep they feel the City's pockets are. I think it will be a long process.

I think you'll find the City leery to take ownership, there are some not insignificant liabilities for the off-site impacts, once you own the source...


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - nms - 05-11-2017

Given how long the City has taken to do something with the Kitchener Legion property, the Electrohome property may be a while yet. Speaking of heritage buildings, does anyone have an idea of how the property parcels work around the current Kitchener train station? VIA, GEXR, Metrolinx, Region, or some combination thereof?


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - panamaniac - 05-11-2017

(05-10-2017, 10:15 PM)Smore Wrote:
(05-10-2017, 07:22 AM)MidTowner Wrote: If the City takes ownership of the Electrohome building, it will be on the hook for big clean-up costs. But hopefully it has greater wherewithal than a private company would to access funding from other levels of government for the clean-up (I am assuming there are funding programs for this).

Get ready for big arguments about what "should" be done with this if it's suddenly a City property. A lot of neighbours will argue that it should be a park or even a community since we're "under-served" (we're probably not). Of course there will be those talking about the heritage aspect, and how deep they feel the City's pockets are. I think it will be a long process.

I think you'll find the City leery to take ownership, there are some not insignificant liabilities for the off-site impacts, once you own the source...

Although, seemingly, none for those who have owned the place for decades past.  Seriously, istm that the City will need to acquire the site and take on the clean-up costs, either directly or via subsidies to any private sector purchaser.


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - nms - 05-12-2017

It looks like the Victoria/Westmount medical campus will be getting a big upgrade. As I passed by there was a "Coming Soon" sign that showed a mixed-use project with (I believe) medical offices on the main floor and residential above for at least two or three stories.


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - panamaniac - 05-12-2017

Still surrounded by parking lots, I wonder? It's pretty unsightly at the moment.


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - tomh009 - 05-12-2017

(05-11-2017, 09:37 AM)panamaniac Wrote: Although, seemingly, none for those who have owned the place for decades past.  Seriously, istm that the City will need to acquire the site and take on the clean-up costs, either directly or via subsidies to any private sector purchaser.

At the minimum they will have flexibility on the price at which they sell to the right developer, enabling them to choose based on the merits of the proposal rather than just meeting the price tag on the back taxes (which are really water under the bridge now, we'll never recoup all of those).


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - panamaniac - 05-12-2017

Not sure if this is the appropriate thread, but I see that the Globe and Mail is reporting that, as part of its reforms to the OMB, the Province is planning to allow municipalities to bar challenges to approved developments near GO Transit, subway or light-rail stations (my bold)  in order to support the goal of boosting density near transit lines.

In theory, this seems like great news, but I suspect that a few community associations in Kitchener and Waterloo will be on the phones to city councillors tomorrow morning....

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/omb-challenges-to-be-barred-within-500-metres-of-transit-stations/article34979676/


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - ijmorlan - 05-12-2017

(05-12-2017, 08:15 PM)panamaniac Wrote: Not sure if this is the appropriate thread, but I see that the Globe and Mail is reporting that, as part of its reforms to the OMB, the Province is planning to allow municipalities to bar challenges to approved developments near GO Transit, subway or light-rail stations (my bold)  in order to support the goal of boosting density near transit lines.

In theory, this seems like great news, but I suspect that a few community associations in Kitchener and Waterloo will be on the phones to city councillors tomorrow morning....

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/omb-challenges-to-be-barred-within-500-metres-of-transit-stations/article34979676/

This seems crazy. If the challenge process is so messed up that it is even remotely reasonable to bar challenges entirely, then the process is need of severe correction. Presumably the whole point of the process is that somebody could have a reasonable objection, and the process provides a way for them to present the objection and for it to be considered. Just because a location is a good location for intensification doesn’t mean challenges are inherently wrong.

The right solution would be to reform the process everywhere to discourage unreasonable complaints and do a better job of dealing with reasonable concerns.


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - Viewfromthe42 - 05-13-2017

I think the proposal isn't fully known, but there are different ways to interpret it. Does a municipality activating this ability make it apply in all cases within 500m of a station, or does it allow them to choose where decisions made within 500m of a station will be un-OMB-able? I'm thinking a bit of moments like with the restaurant proposal on Ottawa (admittedly not within a transit station), the idea being that council had a proposal, the proposal was supported by staff, the proposal made sense within its context, but council seemed to vote against it because of resident opposition and threat of residents appealing it to the OMB. It might be that this allows council to make their well-thought-out plans unappealable. I know residents who thought that 1Vic was incredibly inappropriate for its site, even the Kaufman conversion, and I would hate to think of council having to work through the change LRT is going to bring under permanent auspices of OMB appeals. In many cases within 500m of ION stations, developments will still require rezoning and overall approval BEFORE they would become unappealable. The ODC site at Roger and Moore is a decent example of a spot within 500m of an ION station (just), where a development has very minimal neighbour impacts, but there are already residents claiming that virtually anything to happen on that site would be inappropriate.