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RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - danbrotherston - 11-02-2018

(11-02-2018, 02:11 AM)Quadcities34 Wrote: That site is under the microscope of two local developers looking to do a mixed use, residential (condo-sale) and commercial build. 3 Mill for only 3 stories wont cut it. Will have to do minimum 9 with commerical and potentially the need to have a podium structure within for parking.

Mmmm...parking requirements....


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - Spokes - 11-02-2018

Not necessarily parking REQUIREMENTS, simply the need for parking because people have cars.


RE: The Glove Box | 6 fl | Proposed - robdrimmie - 11-02-2018

(11-01-2018, 11:32 PM)Momo26 Wrote: Not sure which thread this belongs in, but given the  nature of the companies in the innovation district - tech, start ups, software etc., any word on who is coming I to the soon to be Manulife employee free massive brown building next door to Charlie West? I wonder if that will undergo major renos.

Unsubstantiated buzz from the inside is that Manulife's real estate arm is still in their assessment and decision-making phase about what to do with the building. Nothing has been announced internally.


RE: The Glove Box | 6 fl | Proposed - robdrimmie - 11-02-2018

(11-02-2018, 01:44 AM)Quadcities34 Wrote:
(11-01-2018, 11:32 PM)Momo26 Wrote: Not sure which thread this belongs in, but given the  nature of the companies in the innovation district - tech, start ups, software etc., any word on who is coming I to the soon to be Manulife employee free massive brown building next door to Charlie West? I wonder if that will undergo major renos.

That entire (now vacant) site is under consideration for redevelopment. Manulife proposed a two phase project earlier this year on one of their parking lots, but are now in the midst of planning a mega redevelopment or selling their land, plans, and rezoning to a new developer, similar to what happened with SIXO.

Point of clarification: 25 Water (The old King Centre building) is not vacant (and won't be for many months at least). The parking lot between 25 Water and the Tannery is also used by employees every day. Before the building can be vacated considerable renovation at 500 King needs to take place. Right now there is some shuffling of desks there to make room for renovations. It's possible as well that several employees homed at 500 King will be moved to 25 Water to make room for renovations.

(This post is coming from inside the building but is based largely on rumour and observation, not formally issued communication).


RE: The Glove Box | 6 fl | Proposed - Momo26 - 11-02-2018

(11-02-2018, 10:07 AM)robdrimmie Wrote:
(11-02-2018, 01:44 AM)Quadcities34 Wrote: That entire (now vacant) site is under consideration for redevelopment. Manulife proposed a two phase project earlier this year on one of their parking lots, but are now in the midst of planning a mega redevelopment or selling their land, plans, and rezoning to a new developer, similar to what happened with SIXO.

Point of clarification: 25 Water (The old King Centre building) is not vacant (and won't be for many months at least). The parking lot between 25 Water and the Tannery is also used by employees every day. Before the building can be vacated considerable renovation at 500 King needs to take place. Right now there is some shuffling of desks there to make room for renovations. It's possible as well that several employees homed at 500 King will be moved to 25 Water to make room for renovations.

(This post is coming from inside the building but is based largely on rumour and observation, not formally issued communication).

Right. That parking lot between the building and Tannery seems pretty packed every day. But I imagine if they were to sell and then the new buyer demolish, they'd want to do something w/ that parking lot also. Imagine a parking garage with an elevated pedestrian pass-over to a condo development! 

That's a massive building to demolish me think. As you mentioned, retro-fitting it to 21st century open concept offices inside might make more sense, at least for part of it. 

Are there any recent, substantiated 2017 or Q1 + Q2 2018 numbers out that support job growth in DTK (and or K-W as a whole)? Likewise, how many people commute in vs moving for a new job? 

I've seen estimates on marketing material for condos, but the hard numbers!


RE: The Glove Box | 6 fl | Proposed - BruceAshe - 11-02-2018

(11-02-2018, 10:07 AM)robdrimmie Wrote: (This post is coming from inside the building but is based largely on rumour and observation, not formally issued communication).

I've heard employees from 500 King are supposed to start getting moved over in January but no idea on the number of employees moving or for how long.


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - Pheidippides - 11-02-2018

The 242-262 Queen St S development still seems to have some life.

They have another received notice of another proposal and the heritage committee is allowing them to add it to the final agenda of the term even though staff haven't had a chance to review it:
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RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - panamaniac - 11-02-2018

By "portions", I 'm guessing they mean the front facades?


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - tomh009 - 11-03-2018

(11-02-2018, 10:27 PM)panamaniac Wrote: By "portions", I 'm guessing they mean the front facades?

They really cannot build an effective mid-rise building while keeping the two century homes. See the map here for 242/254/262:

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What they might be able to do is keep roughly the front half of the homes to free up the back of the property for development. See the satellite photo here:

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This might work from a space point of view, and they might be able to use the driveway of 262 Queen for the garage entrance (or for service vehicles). But I have a hard time visualizing how they will make this both work and look good.


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - Rainrider22 - 11-03-2018

Would should happen is they go back to the new council and get their motion passed to tear down and move forward with the original plan.


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - tomh009 - 11-03-2018

(11-03-2018, 09:44 AM)Rainrider22 Wrote: Would should happen is they go back to the new council and get their motion passed to tear down and move forward with the original plan.

Unfortunately, given that the old council voted 8-3 against their application, I don't think they would find enough votes in the new council to get the original plan approved.


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - panamaniac - 11-03-2018

The best solution, imho, would be to acknowledge that the block of Queen St between Courtland and Joseph should not be part of the heritage district.


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - Spokes - 11-03-2018

But could some of them change their mind with an election not looming. We've seen it happen before.


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - clasher - 11-03-2018

Just wait until someone burns them down.


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - Rainrider22 - 11-03-2018

(11-03-2018, 09:58 AM)tomh009 Wrote:
(11-03-2018, 09:44 AM)Rainrider22 Wrote: Would should happen is they go back to the new council and get their motion passed to tear down and move forward with the original plan.

Unfortunately, given that the old council voted 8-3 against their application, I don't think they would find enough votes in the new council to get the original plan approved.

They will vote in favour this time now that they have re-secured their position....