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RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - GtwoK - 03-02-2016

(03-02-2016, 11:16 AM)panamaniac Wrote:
(03-02-2016, 11:14 AM)BuildingScout Wrote: This is excellent news and another key piece in Kitchener downtown revitalization.

Next up, I suspect, will be the Huck Glove factory.  At least I hope so.

I want to see more done with that one, though, being on a main street and centrally downtown. Especially next to what will be One Hundred. Would love to see the W&W property bought up by whomever owns Huck, and incorporated into an extension somehow.

IMO, downtown needs to be built UP, not just have building repurposed.


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - panamaniac - 03-02-2016

(03-02-2016, 11:29 AM)GtwoK Wrote:
(03-02-2016, 11:16 AM)panamaniac Wrote: Next up, I suspect, will be the Huck Glove factory.  At least I hope so.

I want to see more done with that one, though, being on a main street and centrally downtown. Especially next to what will be One Hundred. Would love to see the W&W property bought up by whomever owns Huck, and incorporated into an extension somehow.

IMO, downtown needs to be built UP, not just have building repurposed.

I don't disagree.  In the case of the Huck Glove building, there seems to be enough land behind and beside the structure to incorporate a larger/taller redevelopment, with or without the neighbouring property.


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - Markster - 03-02-2016

(03-02-2016, 11:29 AM)GtwoK Wrote: IMO, downtown needs to be built UP, not just have building repurposed.

Step 1 is always renovation of existing buildings.
In Toronto, most of the new office space downtown in the 2000s was in renovated warehouses/factories. It was only once that space started to become more scarce, and momentum on downtown offices really picked up that we started to see new skyscrapers.


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - panamaniac - 03-02-2016

(03-02-2016, 11:45 AM)Markster Wrote:
(03-02-2016, 11:29 AM)GtwoK Wrote: IMO, downtown needs to be built UP, not just have building repurposed.

Step 1 is always renovation of existing buildings.
In Toronto, most of the new office space downtown in the 2000s was in renovated warehouses/factories.  It was only once that space started to become more scarce, and momentum on downtown offices really picked up that we started to see new skyscrapers.

I would think that at this stage, any new development incorporated into something like the Huck Glove property would be a residential component.  How likely that is in the short term, I couldn't say.


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - Viewfromthe42 - 03-02-2016

The issue being that downtown Toronto is large and has been thought of as urban for long enough that they don't have what we have, which is 1/3 of downtown being heritage, both from the perspective of you can't change any of it, to you can't build anything near it.


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - panamaniac - 03-02-2016

(03-02-2016, 12:57 PM)Viewfromthe42 Wrote: The issue being that downtown Toronto is large and has been thought of as urban for long enough that they don't have what we have, which is 1/3 of downtown being heritage, both from the perspective of you can't change any of it, to you can't build anything near it.

How common is that?


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - Viewfromthe42 - 03-02-2016

Sometimes, it's how UpTown is, where you can't build higher than 4 storeys on King, unless you are far enough back that you can't see the building from the opposite side of King as a pedestrian (try looking at the Princess condominiums from the east side of king, you almost can't see the top above any existing or theoretical 3-4 storey streetfront).

Other times, it's pressure from neighbours, such as those who pushed hard (unsuccessfully) to declare the 6-storey Red condos as being too tall for King Street, due to the people who lived behind the lot. Established neighbourhoods, especially heritage ones, exert not only a development freeze on their internals, but outwards towards any neighbour they could theoretically see or hear.


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - Owen - 03-02-2016

(03-02-2016, 02:34 PM)Viewfromthe42 Wrote: Sometimes, it's how UpTown is, where you can't build higher than 4 storeys on King, unless you are far enough back that you can't see the building from the opposite side of King as a pedestrian (try looking at the Princess condominiums from the east side of king, you almost can't see the top above any existing or theoretical 3-4 storey streetfront).

Other times, it's pressure from neighbours, such as those who pushed hard (unsuccessfully) to declare the 6-storey Red condos as being too tall for King Street, due to the people who lived behind the lot. Established neighbourhoods, especially heritage ones, exert not only a development freeze on their internals, but outwards towards any neighbour they could theoretically see or hear.

As long as tall buildings have proper setbacks they shouldn't be an issue - the trouble starts when you try to squeeze a tall building onto a small lot.  We were all thoroughly educated at the 100 Vic OMB hearing: Light, Skyview and Privacy are universal principles that create positive dwelling environments for humans - setbacks provide for these elements in tall residential buildings.

On the topic of the OMB hearing, the owner of the Huck glove building attended several days of the hearing - and the city planner let it slip at one point during cross examination that they had been talking to him - seeming to suggest that something is in the works, but no idea what.

Overall, I wouldn't stress about not seeing enough tall building developments downtown Kitchener - we still have the entirety of the Brahm st (former) city works yards to be redeveloped, along with the old warehouse and parking lot between the pharmacy school and 72 Victoria (and those are squarely in the 'innovation district' which the OP designates for intensification, whereas 5 Michael is not), never mind whatever is going up at the transit hub and whatever takes shape at King's Crossing.


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - Smore - 03-02-2016

(03-02-2016, 11:29 AM)GtwoK Wrote: I want to see more done with that one, though, being on a main street and centrally downtown. Especially next to what will be One Hundred. Would love to see the W&W property bought up by whomever owns Huck, and incorporated into an extension somehow.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this property is part of the 100 Vic development?


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - Owen - 03-03-2016

(03-02-2016, 10:51 PM)Smore Wrote:
(03-02-2016, 11:29 AM)GtwoK Wrote: I want to see more done with that one, though, being on a main street and centrally downtown. Especially next to what will be One Hundred. Would love to see the W&W property bought up by whomever owns Huck, and incorporated into an extension somehow.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this property is part of the 100 Vic development?

It is not. It (both 114 and 118 Vic) is still owned by the family that operates W&W. The 100 Vic assembly includes 98, 100, 100 1/2 (the odd little 'cottage' behind 98 and 100), and 110 Victoria (the former bakery).