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RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - tomh009 - 10-09-2016

Checking out the old Schlichters property.  The render in the signs is basically just cladding, and presumably only on the Queen St side -- Ontario St might remain as is, given that it already has tenants?

The current state of the building.  Cleaned up, but neither beautiful nor heritage.
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The render.  Very different.  Still it will look a bit odd downtown, with a large parking lot in front of the building.  
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Interior shot 1: the interior columns actually look quite good, and after the clean-up it looks decent and bright enough, with the large windows on the N side.
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Interior shot 2: further away from those side windows, it's much less bright, but the skylights for help somewhat
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RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - Spokes - 10-10-2016

Lots more natural light than I expected.

I can't help but wonder if this is just a temporary solution until it makes sense to build here.


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - KevinL - 10-10-2016

They'll certainly want to see out the leases on the Ontario-facing businesses; the convenience store may feel pressure to move come 2018 when the bus terminal will (mostly) vacate. I really would like to see something make good use of this space and of the elevation difference.


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - Owen - 10-11-2016

(04-25-2016, 11:15 AM)Markster Wrote: Okay, it's thought exercise time!



That plot is zoned Commercial D-1
FSR 2.0
area: ~700m2
Max GFA: ~1400m2
...
And you have to acquire the land, which I'm sure the current owner is going to sit on until they are convinced by a sufficiently large pile of dollars.

Looks like we'll finally see some action on this site - at least with part (2/3) of the lot:
http://www.therecord.com/whatson-story/6903866-vacant-lot-sells-after-sitting-empty-for-decades/


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - danbrotherston - 10-11-2016

(10-11-2016, 06:36 AM)Owen Wrote:
(04-25-2016, 11:15 AM)Markster Wrote: Okay, it's thought exercise time!



That plot is zoned Commercial D-1
FSR 2.0
area: ~700m2
Max GFA: ~1400m2
...
And you have to acquire the land, which I'm sure the current owner is going to sit on until they are convinced by a sufficiently large pile of dollars.

Looks like we'll finally see some action on this site - at least with part (2/3) of the lot:  
http://www.therecord.com/whatson-story/6903866-vacant-lot-sells-after-sitting-empty-for-decades/

There's going to be a 19 foot undeveloped section.  What a waste.  Private interests trumping public good.


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - Spokes - 10-11-2016

How on earth those two weren't merged was beyond me. How foolish.


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - Markster - 10-11-2016

(10-11-2016, 07:05 AM)danbrotherston Wrote:
(10-11-2016, 06:36 AM)Owen Wrote: Looks like we'll finally see some action on this site - at least with part (2/3) of the lot:  
http://www.therecord.com/whatson-story/6903866-vacant-lot-sells-after-sitting-empty-for-decades/

There's going to be a 19 foot undeveloped section.  What a waste.  Private interests trumping public good.

(10-11-2016, 07:19 AM)Spokes Wrote: How on earth those two weren't merged was beyond me. How foolish.

From the article:

"We weren't able to conclude a deal with him," Riddoch said of that smaller lot.

And as I said
(04-25-2016, 11:15 AM)Markster Wrote: And you have to acquire the land, which I'm sure the current owner is going to sit on until they are convinced by a sufficiently large pile of dollars.

The owner of the small lot is probably trying to hold out for a far higher price per acre.
The developer has to move forward with what they have, in order to call the bluff.


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - danbrotherston - 10-11-2016

@Markster Exactly what I said, "private interests trumping public good".


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - Owen - 10-11-2016

(10-11-2016, 09:23 AM)danbrotherston Wrote: @Markster  Exactly what I said, "private interests trumping public good".

What exactly do you propose as an alternative... that the govt expropriate the property from the owner and hand it over to the developer? Don't get me wrong - I agree it's a shame - the owner is being greedy, and his Karma is that he'll end up with nothing as nothing can be developed (that justifies a much higher price per acre) on a 19' strip of land - but I have a hard time seeing where the 'private interests trump public good' argument leads... ?


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - nms - 10-11-2016

Who knows what the current owners reasons were, we weren't at the negotiating table. There may have been multiple shareholders in the property (especially if the land transferred to the children of the original owner). They may have looked at what other downtown property was selling for and figured that they deserved a better deal. Anyone wants to compare this price per acre to the market rate according to more recent transactions? Look at this way, it will give Manulife the option to plant some really big columns if they every decide to build up.


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - danbrotherston - 10-11-2016

(10-11-2016, 11:18 AM)Owen Wrote:
(10-11-2016, 09:23 AM)danbrotherston Wrote: @Markster  Exactly what I said, "private interests trumping public good".

What exactly do you propose as an alternative... that the govt expropriate the property from the owner and hand it over to the developer?   Don't get me wrong - I agree it's a shame - the owner is being greedy, and his Karma is that he'll end up with nothing as nothing can be developed (that justifies a much higher price per acre) on a 19' strip of land - but I have a hard time seeing where the 'private interests trump public good' argument leads... ?

I am not implying any particular alternative or solution here.  This is far more of a deep conversation than belongs here.  But as you agree, that doesn't make my statement any less true.  I would generally like to see this happen less often.


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - Owen - 10-11-2016

(10-11-2016, 12:56 PM)danbrotherston Wrote:
(10-11-2016, 11:18 AM)Owen Wrote: What exactly do you propose as an alternative... that the govt expropriate the property from the owner and hand it over to the developer?   Don't get me wrong - I agree it's a shame - the owner is being greedy, and his Karma is that he'll end up with nothing as nothing can be developed (that justifies a much higher price per acre) on a 19' strip of land - but I have a hard time seeing where the 'private interests trump public good' argument leads... ?

I am not implying any particular alternative or solution here.  This is far more of a deep conversation than belongs here.  But as you agree, that doesn't make my statement any less true.  I would generally like to see this happen less often.

The "invisible hand" doesn't always act swiftly, but it's much better than the alternativeSmile


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - panamaniac - 10-12-2016

A good opportunity for the City to expropriate the strip at it's now much-reduced value to create a sculpture garden or other amenity.


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - rangersfan - 10-12-2016

It seems silly on the landowners part, I wonder what they are holding out for specifically? Regardless it is nice to hear a very prominent gap Downtown could be filled in, in the relatively near future.


RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - tomh009 - 10-12-2016

(10-12-2016, 08:13 AM)panamaniac Wrote: A good opportunity for the City to expropriate the strip at it's now much-reduced value to create a sculpture garden or other amenity.

At 19' wide it's a bit small even for a garden.

Mind you, in Tokyo it's not uncommon to see 4-6 storey buildings that are only 3-4m wide.  I don't think those would be popular here, though.  19' of lot width means about 18' of interior width.  Workable for small retail, but quite restrictive for the layout of the residential floors.  You could make it work with just two units per floor (and a staircase in the middle, entered from the back of the building) but only one room would end up having a window in each unit.