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Fairview Park Mall - Grand Market District
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(06-18-2018, 09:02 PM)dunkalunk Wrote:
(06-18-2018, 07:41 PM)Rainrider22 Wrote: How can anyone be critical of a proposal so quick. It is a bold idea. I hope it comes to fruition.

It's very easy to be critical of this. It is very telling that Cadillac Fairview seems to completely ignore the presence of the ION in their site plan. Not that the density isn't welcome, in particular the residential towers facing Kingsway, however the density is facing an onramp.

It also appears that Cadillac Fairview appears to be setting up the conditions for a right-of-way dispute for ION Stage 2. The vote on endorsement of the Stage 2 route following the Hydro right-of-way goes to council tomorrow.

I wasn't sure what you meant by "ignore the presence of ION".  Is it the intention that Phase 2 would pass through the mall lands?  I thought it would turn at the terminal to get up to and over Fairway Rd.
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#12
(06-18-2018, 09:48 PM)Rainrider22 Wrote:
(06-18-2018, 09:26 PM)GtwoK Wrote: Like dunkalunk said, seems to completely ignore ION phase 2. So doog luck with that.

Any intensification / parking lot removal in this area is good, though I do question why the street facing facilities are directly next to the highway off rams. Especially when you're leaving that big gap with no street facing buildings for a parking lot. No one ever walks here, and there's not even a sidewalk IIRC.

I think many people here should start putting money up themselves and developing instead of just being critical. It is easy when you don't have any skin in the game.

Provided the City of Kitchener approves the variance and site plan, CF can do whatever they want with their property if they think it will make them money. The proposed Stage 2 routing will be a large part of the city's consideration. I remember when stage one property acquisitions were happening, CF was hostile to the presence of any Light Rail on their property, which is why the Fairway (not Fairview Park) station is located in the hydro ROW where it is, and why the region bought out Burger King and Crabby Joe's in order to create a more streamlined transfer off Fairway Road. I don't trust CF to not be hostile to Stage 2 when it comes time to actually build LRT through parking space on Hydro's easement.

One of the great things about a democracy is that I am allowed to have an opinion and elect representatives who share my values, or become involved in the planning process. Being critical of how our urban spaces are built will ultimately shape the policy which is adopted and affect the built space we end up with. Personally, I would rather not have another vehicle-dependent, suburban office development with excessive parking. IMHO, what is being proposed is just as much a "Grand Market District" as "The Boardwalk" is a boardwalk.

I would appreciate not being told to stop being critical because I'm not a real-estate developer. Calling criticism "just being critical" is an easy way to dismiss any opinions you disagree with and entrench your own views without actually defending your position. Whenever you're ready to defend your position as to why you think this development should go ahead in its current form, I'm ready to have a discussion.
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#13
(06-18-2018, 10:19 PM)panamaniac Wrote: I wasn't sure what you meant by "ignore the presence of ION".  Is it the intention that Phase 2 would pass through the mall lands?  I thought it would turn at the terminal to get up to and over Fairway Rd.

The Phase 2 extension continues along the hydro corridor to Fariway road, bisecting the existing parking lot. There's a picture in the site plan that shows the property parcels it would follow.

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#14
Smack in the middle of that is a hydro pylon, and the transition bunker where the buried lines come up to meet it. That could be tricky to route around.
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#15
(06-18-2018, 06:05 PM)Tony_Plow Wrote: Check out Cadillac Fairview's bold plans for the Fairview Park Mall lands:

http://www.collierscanada.com/24845#.WygpW9JKhaQ


Over 250,000 sq ft of office space in two new buildings, a parking garage, re-development of the old Sears space into new retail, plus a plan for 4 residential towers in behind the mall.

I like it, it will totally update the mall into the 21st century.

I am sure many will mourn the loss of the Sear architecture, but I cannot see how they can keep that building.
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#16
(06-18-2018, 10:50 PM)KevinL Wrote: Smack in the middle of that is a hydro pylon, and the transition bunker where the buried lines come up to meet it. That could be tricky to route around.

I mean.... wouldn't they just bury it, as they did the previous pylons?
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#17
I'm surprised Walmart will remain as is since it hasn't changed much since it opened. I thought there was rumors that a new Walmart was going to be built in front of the current location? I really like the creativeness of the proposal and I hope it gets built.
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#18
(06-19-2018, 03:14 AM)GtwoK Wrote:
(06-18-2018, 10:50 PM)KevinL Wrote: Smack in the middle of that is a hydro pylon, and the transition bunker where the buried lines come up to meet it. That could be tricky to route around.

I mean.... wouldn't they just bury it, as they did the previous pylons?

I suppose they could, it seems like quite the duplicated effort.
My Twitter: @KevinLMaps
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#19
I like it. That lot in front of Wal-Mart is awful to look at, and I think it will look much nicer filled in this way.

It's a bit fanciful to imagine a tree-lined, pedestrian-friendly look for Fairway Road, but maybe it could work?
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(06-19-2018, 11:04 AM)timc Wrote: I like it. That lot in front of Wal-Mart is awful to look at, and I think it will look much nicer filled in this way.

It's a bit fanciful to imagine a tree-lined, pedestrian-friendly look for Fairway Road, but maybe it could work?

Not impossible, but it would take a lot more changes than what's planned.  More, it's unlikely to actually see that change right next to the highway interchange.
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