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ION - Waterloo Region's Light Rail Transit
(11-25-2015, 02:15 PM)jamincan Wrote: Honestly, I like the TTC chime.

Me too. It, or something very similar, is also used by other transit systems worldwide. That makes it familiar to visitors, a safety feature that unique, distinctive chimes lack.

I don't know if that should make it an official or de facto default but it seems like a sensible choice. In any case there are more pressing issues with our LRT than the choice of chimes. I'd hate to see delivery of our cars get held up because of some relatively trivial detail like this.
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Is there any doubt but that the ion door chime should be the first seven notes of the "Chicken Dance" song? Smile
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(11-25-2015, 03:41 PM)panamaniac Wrote: Is there any doubt but that the ion door chime should be the first seven notes of the "Chicken Dance" song?  Smile

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Drove over the track at FDB tonight. That bump is absurd. You have to crawl over the thing or you're going to hurt your neck. The crossings at Alexandra and William look more level with the road, at least.

Charles was also paved between Borden and Stirling today.
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The TTC chime is actually the UTDC chime; it was first introduced on the Scarborough RT (ICTS) in 1985, and has since been rolled out on many other ex-UTDC/Bombardier products, like GO's Bi-Level coaches.

But agreed that it's likely what we'll get, especially since our order is piggybacked on Metrolinx' order for the Eglinton Crosstown which is surely going to have the 3-tone chime. I was just hoping for something a bit more unique to us.

You can drive across Borden at Courtland now; I put a photo up on Twitter.
For daily ion construction updates, photos and general urban rail news, follow me on twitter! @Canardiain
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are we seriously worrying about the chime? wow. we are lucky enough to be getting a great LRT system!
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The newly paved Laurel Trail from University to Columbia looks very rough... I'm assuming it will get repaved?
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We're not "seriously worrying" about anything. I'm a member of this forum and I'm allowed to discuss relevant points of interest about this project, aren't I? Or should I just shut up and take pictures and that's it.
For daily ion construction updates, photos and general urban rail news, follow me on twitter! @Canardiain
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(11-26-2015, 10:20 AM)Waterlooer Wrote: The newly paved Laurel Trail from University to Columbia looks very rough... I'm assuming it will get repaved?
Yeah, it, along with the asphalt sidewalk on Columbia are clearly temporary, for the winter I presume.
I had tweeted at GrandLink 2 months ago, asking if there'd ever be at least a temporary treatment. I'm glad to see that after 5 months of a dirt sidewalk, there finally is.
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The chimes are a small yet significant part of the rider experience, especially for the operator who hears it hundreds of times each day. Sure, there are bigger issues we should be discussing but we also need to be aware of these smaller items as they may become quite noticeable once the system is operating.

On this note (pun intended), CBC Radio's "This is That" program recently produced a short documentary about a gentleman in Calgary who provided his voice for their C-Train system but is now being replaced by a computerized voice. CLICK HERE to listen to the story.

STORY:

For 34 years, Michael Cousins has proudly announced to Calgarians riding the C-train which stop is next and to "stand clear of the doors." Yet in this documentary, we learn about the role technology is playing in making Cousins and his soothing voice obsolete.

    "Being replaced by a computer is a hard pill to swallow."
     - Michael Cousins, former voice of the C-Train

"I have a hard time believing a computer can say 'Barlow Trail' with the same gravitas as me," says Cousins, "but we'll see I suppose."

Listen to the audio to learn how Michael first got the job and the imprint he has left on Calgary.


[FYI: "This is That" is a farce program. This is not a real interview.]
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(11-26-2015, 09:51 AM)insider Wrote: are we seriously worrying about the chime? wow. we are lucky enough to be getting a great LRT system!

(11-26-2015, 10:57 AM)Canard Wrote: We're not "seriously worrying" about anything. I'm a member of this forum and I'm allowed to discuss relevant points of interest about this project, aren't I? Or should I just shut up and take pictures and that's it.

The chime is part of the experience of the system. And it's more than about the chime - it's about whether any thought is being given to crafting the experience here, rather than just ordering up "an LRT system" and assuming that's all that's needed. Ultimately this will be an important part of the community, and design details matter.

I'm not personally convinced that the Region is paying much attention to design details, or that they even know what design is.
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(11-26-2015, 11:31 AM)UrbanCanoe Wrote: On this note (pun intended), CBC Radio's "This is That" program recently produced a short documentary about a gentleman in Calgary who provided his voice for their C-Train system but is now being replaced by a computerized voice. CLICK HERE to listen to the story.

That story is literally taking place in Toronto. (And probably the source of This Is That's idea for the segment, so they could fictionalize the story for laughs.)

The voice of the TTC subway announcer was replaced by a computer with the new Rocket trains (the bendy ones).
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Even stranger: the woman who used to do the TTC recordings was a TTC employee... And Bombardier used her for the speech synthesis system on the TR's and FLEXITY Outlook LFLRV's. So she's still there!
For daily ion construction updates, photos and general urban rail news, follow me on twitter! @Canardiain
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(11-26-2015, 11:36 AM)mpd618 Wrote: I'm not personally convinced that the Region is paying much attention to design details, or that they even know what design is.

Of course, GrandLinq's mandate includes design (DBFOM = Design Build Finance Operate Maintain); but I don't know how much of that includes the vehicles' design as they were obtained through a separate contract. I hope we don't have too much fall between the cracks.
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Agreed. All I'm saying with the chime thing (or any other seemingly trivial design details, like the choice of fabric colours/patterns inside, exterior branding, striping etc.) is that I don't want this to be left to someone who doesn't care and just does whatever they want to push it out the door. People who "get" good design/UI (and I think there's a lot of those people here, based on the above comments!) understand that it's those little things that improve the overall ridership experience. And for people like me who obsess over details, it puts us at ease Smile The trains are the face of the system - the things the passengers will interface the most with.

Goldlinq went to some huge effort to get a third-party design team involved to come up with a nose cone design and paint job that evoked the visage of a surfboard for Gold Coast's LFLRV's! I'm not saying we go that far. I just want someone to care and put some thought into the options that are easy to customize, like the colour of the exterior, interior, illumination and audio cues, that's all.
For daily ion construction updates, photos and general urban rail news, follow me on twitter! @Canardiain
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