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ION - Waterloo Region's Light Rail Transit
(11-27-2015, 06:24 AM)Canard Wrote: Agreed. All I'm saying with the chime thing (or any other seemingly trivial design details, like the choice of fabric colours/patterns inside, exterior branding, striping etc.) is that I don't want this to be left to someone who doesn't care and just does whatever they want to push it out the door.
There's a big difference between the chime choice and the other design items in your list. The chime is easy/inexpensive to change if that should ever become an issue. The latter items however would be much more difficult/expensive to change. Moreover, the default chime is universally recognized as a transit car warning. Why mess with it? That would be like someone who thinks the red octagonal shape of a STOP sign is boring and lobbies the region to change all of ours to something "better." (If you're going to choose a battle, at least choose one that's worth fighting for.)

Quote:People who "get" good design/UI (and I think there's a lot of those people here, based on the above comments!) understand that it's those little things that improve the overall ridership experience. And for people like me who obsess over details, it puts us at ease Smile  The trains are the face of the system - the things the passengers will interface the most with.
How would a different chime "improve the overall ridership experience"? (I can see how it might worsen the overall riding experience if riders didn't immediately recognize it for what it's intended to be and got injured by closing doors.)
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The point is that if they are thinking about things like The Chime, then they are thinking about other finer details too, like bench placement or wayfinding, or other things that may be more "concrete" in the literal sense. The chime doesn't matter, what matters is that they're thinking.

That said, on the topic of the chime, I wouldn't want them to start thinking about it, and then decide that because they started thinking about it, that it must be "Made In Waterloo" because reasons. I wouldn't be opposed to the TTC chime at all.
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Duke and Water will be closing on Monday until December 21. I'm glad to see GrandLinq getting as much as they can done before the ground freezes.
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(11-27-2015, 11:46 AM)Markster Wrote: The point is that if they are thinking about things like The Chime, then they are thinking about other finer details too, like bench placement or wayfinding, or other things that may be more "concrete" in the literal sense.  The chime doesn't matter, what matters is that they're thinking.

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FFS Oopik. Leave me alone. Just because I care about things you don't doesn't make my viewpoint any less valid. Just let it die. Sorry I ever brought it up.
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(11-27-2015, 12:47 PM)timio Wrote: Duke and Water will be closing on Monday until December 21.  I'm glad to see GrandLinq getting as much as they can done before the ground freezes.

The long range forecast looks like above zero highs until at least mid-December, so they may be able to stretch the season a bit more than usual, with any luck.
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(11-27-2015, 11:46 AM)Markster Wrote: The point is that if they are thinking about things like The Chime, then they are thinking about other finer details too, like bench placement or wayfinding, or other things that may be more "concrete" in the literal sense.  The chime doesn't matter, what matters is that they're thinking.

The cars ordered for ION have been in use in LRTs, trams and commuter trains around the world for many years. I'd urge the "experts" to ask those transit operators about these sorts of details, e.g. what they like and what they wish they could change, long before I'd want our local "experts" to design a "better" mouse-traphuman car just to be different or just to flex their creative muscles.
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(11-27-2015, 01:13 PM)ookpik Wrote: The cars ordered for ION have been in use in LRTs, trams and commuter trains around the world for many years. I'd urge the "experts" to ask those transit operators about these sorts of details, e.g. what they like and what they wish they could change, long before I'd want our local "experts" to design a "better" mouse-traphuman car just to be different or just to flex their creative muscles.

I'd urge for the same conversation.

We have a partner who is responsible for designing, building and operating this system. They are not intrinsically responsible for it being an attractive system beyond what's specified in the contract and what is asked for by the region. So Project Co could have tons of real world expertise on the kind of polish that can be applied to a tram line. They do not necessarily have the incentive to independently apply that knowledge.

If it's a healthy relationship, then there should be a healthy dialogue going on between region and GrandLinq about what is possible and what is recommended. And we should be seeing some signs of that.
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A positive Ion article from The Record.

http://m.therecord.com/opinion-story/613...-kitchener
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Canard, I find your comments pretty interesting. I don't think things like the chime are super pressing matters but given this is a thread on an online forum about the LRT it seems like a reasonable thing to mention.
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I took a ride down Charles from Stirling today, it's paved close to the intersection with Borden.

They had tarps covering most of the newly poured concrete and some heaters pumping hot air under the tarps, gotta keep it warm.

   
   

It's looks like ~500 metres of completed track once this pavement is cured, I think. It's a pretty nice speedbump on courtland with the asphalt right now.  Seems the bridge over the creek is covered with dirt again so it's passable.

   

I also took a picture of the right-of-way looking toward the expressway from Ottawa St. it's quite the big strip of land. The old commercial/light industrial building that faces the tracks is empty and would be a nice plot of land to redevelop, hopefully something nice gets done with... it's covered in crappy graffiti right now.
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Are you sure that the industrial building beside the future Mill station is empty? I thought it was still being used, but absolutely it would be a good site for some mid-density residential.
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Not sure at all, it just seems like the signs for the old businesses that I remember are all gone but it being a Saturday it's not surprising that it looked abandoned.
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I noticed this morning that the Construction Updates link on rideion.ca has changed from linking to the not really updated Tumblr account to the bi-weekly e-mail updates. It's all the same information, just a bit more streamlined.
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One week later - let's try this again. Kitchener Market station:

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