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ION - Waterloo Region's Light Rail Transit
Not that I've seen.

More importantly, perhaps: Still no sign of testing? This is now the fourth (fifth?) week in a row with zero activity on the tracks. I'm not surprised today with the horrible weather, but... the optics are bad.
I get that they're doing other activities, but I wish they were more public about what they're actually up top.
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(04-16-2018, 08:23 AM)Canard Wrote:
(04-16-2018, 06:40 AM)Pheidippides Wrote: Councillor Galloway will be on CBC radio 1 (89.1) at 7:50 this morning.

Is there any way to "roll it back" to listen to it?

They don't put everything up, but if they choose that segment it will show up here sometime tomorrow.

Nothing new really. He said that the new penalties for Bombardier are proprietary information that can only be shared by Bombardier or Metrolinx, but that they are exponentially larger than the $1,500 per day per train that they have long since topped out on. I thought that was a bit confusing because I thought the new agreement only applied to the yet to be built Crosstown vehicles. If it does apply to our vehicles I guess the new deadline would be June?
Everyone move to the back of the bus and we all get home faster.
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Sigh. Almost no one understands the meaning of "exponential" these days. Sad The worst is this concept of "stepped exponential", which makes no sense at all ...
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(04-16-2018, 08:22 PM)tomh009 Wrote: Sigh. Almost no one understands the meaning of "exponential" these days. Sad  The worst is this concept of "stepped exponential", which makes no sense at all ...

Sigh. Almost no one has any manner these days. I believe the phrase you were going for was, "thank-you for the summary."

Without having a direct quote to go from I was simply trying to use the words I thought I heard and remembered the councillor saying.



Hey Canard, can you explain the relevance of your earlier tweet about that CAD job posting?
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Sorry, Pheidippides. I do appreciate the summary, i was just annoyed by the councillor's use of "exponential". Smile
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(04-16-2018, 08:32 PM)Pheidippides Wrote: Hey Canard, can you explain the relevance of your earlier tweet about that CAD job posting?

Sure. It was the verbiage; "...LFLRV's currently being manufactured in Waterloo".

This kind of goes along with my understanding that they've brought in a whole whackload of more people to do assembly and modification here.

506 is still sitting on the flatcar in Kingston, and hasn't been picked up.
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(04-14-2018, 05:58 PM)sevenman Wrote:
(04-14-2018, 03:09 PM)JoeKW Wrote: So, is this really mostly Bombardiers fault?  Didn't the region ask them to hold trains back until a few weeks ago?

Actually, pretty much all their fault.

I'm curious, how do you propose that they could have delivered completed trains to the region any earlier when Metrolinx refused to sign off on a spec once the Transit City projects for which the original order was placed were all cancelled or delayed?

Even after they had a spec they could build and deliver to in mid-2016, the Communications Based Train Control signalling system remained unspecified, hence the hole in the dashboard we all witnessed at the open houses.  I can only assume that that gap has been closed now, but it would only have happened very recently.

Unfortunately Bombardier can't blame Metrolinx as they are still a major customer of theirs, and the region can't blame Metrolinx as they still want Phase 2 funding, so the only party that gets publicly named and shamed is Bombardier.  Are they blameless?  I'm sure not, but I do feel sorry for them for getting 100% of the blame in the public press / mindset while only being partially responsible for the overall delays.
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(04-17-2018, 10:39 AM)KevinT Wrote: I'm curious, how do you propose that they could have delivered completed trains to the region any earlier when Metrolinx refused to sign off on a spec once the Transit City projects for which the original order was placed were all cancelled or delayed?

Even after they had a spec they could build and deliver to in mid-2016, the Communications Based Train Control signalling system remained unspecified, hence the hole in the dashboard we all witnessed at the open houses.  I can only assume that that gap has been closed now, but it would only have happened very recently.

Unfortunately Bombardier can't blame Metrolinx as they are still a major customer of theirs, and the region can't blame Metrolinx as they still want Phase 2 funding, so the only party that gets publicly named and shamed is Bombardier.  Are they blameless?  I'm sure not, but I do feel sorry for them for getting 100% of the blame in the public press / mindset while only being partially responsible for the overall delays.

This should be a pinned post - thank you for explaining this so well Kevin!
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(04-17-2018, 11:03 AM)Canard Wrote:
(04-17-2018, 10:39 AM)KevinT Wrote: I'm curious, how do you propose that they could have delivered completed trains to the region any earlier when Metrolinx refused to sign off on a spec once the Transit City projects for which the original order was placed were all cancelled or delayed?

Even after they had a spec they could build and deliver to in mid-2016, the Communications Based Train Control signalling system remained unspecified, hence the hole in the dashboard we all witnessed at the open houses.  I can only assume that that gap has been closed now, but it would only have happened very recently.

Unfortunately Bombardier can't blame Metrolinx as they are still a major customer of theirs, and the region can't blame Metrolinx as they still want Phase 2 funding, so the only party that gets publicly named and shamed is Bombardier.  Are they blameless?  I'm sure not, but I do feel sorry for them for getting 100% of the blame in the public press / mindset while only being partially responsible for the overall delays.

This should be a pinned post - thank you for explaining this so well Kevin!

Thanks both of you for this. Assuming this is correct, I think I understand better what is really happening, and maybe why the judge wasn’t so keen on Metrolinx’ position in the Bombardier lawsuit: yes, Bombardier flubbed the manufacturing in Thunder Bay, but if they hadn’t we would just have had vehicles in 2016 with no CBTC components. In other words, it was very lucky for somebody at Metrolinx that Bombardier messed up initially, because otherwise it would have been obvious that Metrolinx had dropped the ball.

It would be interesting to know what would have happened if Sheppard East hadn’t been cancelled/postponed/sent to the phantom zone (I mean seriously, it’s been each of those at various times; “cancelled” by Rob Ford, postponed by City Council and the Province, and now it’s in the phantom zone where theoretically it’s happening as soon as Finch is built but most people, including me, believe it will not be built in the foreseeable future). It was supposed to begin construction in 2011 I believe and open in something like 2013 or 2014. Would it have opened late? Would Metrolinx have figured out their CBTC system? Would Bombardier have figured out how to manufacture the vehicles promptly?

Really more of this should be public. Instead of just “The LRT system is late” it should be “it’s done, but we’re waiting for the CBTC systems” or whatever.
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Waterloo Region informs Bombardier it intends to sue for losses due to late LRT vehicles

Quote:An email from Councillor Tom Galloway to 570 NEWS says, quote, “At the end of the day we intend to sue Bombardier for all losses over and above the penalties. They have been so informed.”
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(04-17-2018, 02:18 PM)Bob_McBob Wrote: Waterloo Region informs Bombardier it intends to sue for losses due to late LRT vehicles

Quote:An email from Councillor Tom Galloway to 570 NEWS says, quote, “At the end of the day we intend to sue Bombardier for all losses over and above the penalties. They have been so informed.”

Galloway tells the Mike Farwell Show, Bombardier is the exclusive cause of the delay in service.
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(04-17-2018, 03:25 PM)NotStan Wrote:
(04-17-2018, 02:18 PM)Bob_McBob Wrote: Waterloo Region informs Bombardier it intends to sue for losses due to late LRT vehicles

Galloway tells the Mike Farwell Show, Bombardier is the exclusive cause of the delay in service.

which is absolute hogwash. Had the region not delayed their delivery, we would likely have them all by now, AND Bombardier would have been able to do all the testing and integrations here and train mechanics and operators, all in one go.
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(04-17-2018, 04:14 PM)trainspotter139 Wrote:
(04-17-2018, 03:25 PM)NotStan Wrote: Galloway tells the Mike Farwell Show, Bombardier is the exclusive cause of the delay in service.

which is absolute hogwash. Had the region not delayed their delivery, we would likely have them all by now, AND Bombardier would have been able to do all the testing and integrations here and train mechanics and operators, all in one go.

Do we have any proof of this?

Proof, other than the truthful hyperbole that the politicians continue to feed us up until this time.
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Bombardier says it's 'doing everything' to finish Waterloo region's LRT order

Quote:So far, only four light rail vehicles have been delivered to Waterloo region. Prud'Homme confirmed that one vehicle is in transit, two are ready to ship, three are being tested and four are near completion.
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I think a few of us here are in a tough situation. We can’t publicly reveal our sources, but know that the statement made by the Region is untrue, damaging, and unfair.

This is going to get very dirty, I think, which is really sad. Sad
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