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Cycling in Waterloo Region
(11-15-2014, 12:25 AM)MacBerry Wrote: All this discourse is much ado about nothing!

Example: The asphalt pathways and gravel pathways/bike trails in Waterloo Park have been there for 50 plus years ... yes they require maintenance and have been resurfaced or changed from one type to another but the world didn't fall apart regardless of what pathway type is used in one of the nicest parks in Waterloo region.

I commuted on bike and on foot through Waterloo Park for quite a while. My experience would have been much better had the Laurel Trail through the park been paved.
(11-14-2014, 05:57 PM)plam Wrote: But, seeing as the gravel already washes out, it may be true that asphalt may also wash out over time as well.
That is my concern. On a flat trail away from flowing water there's no doubt that pavement will last longer. But on a sloped trail or one that's subject to flooding my concern is that water could find its way under the pavement, erode the soil below and thus cause the pavement to collapse. I've seen this happen on paved hiking/walking trails in Europe. We've all seen photos in the media of roads that have collapsed due to flooding or underground water flows (so-called Sinkholes.)

Here are paved trails on flat ground in the aftermath of last year's Calgary flood that illustrate the sorts of issues that could arise.

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Quote:I asked a civil engineering faculty colleague of mine: when water gets underneath asphalt, it does move the asphalt (even potentially uphill). We'll have to see what happens with this path in the next few years.
Interesting. So there is a risk.

P.S. Just to be clear, I'm not against paving this trail. I simply want to understand if washouts could still be an issue after it's done.
(11-15-2014, 10:20 AM)ookpik Wrote: Here are paved trails on flat ground in the aftermath of last year's Calgary flood that illustrate the sorts of issues that could arise.

Typically the way an asphalt trail fails is when a pothole develops it's left unpatched and then during a flood large amounts of water flow through the hole and erode the ground underneath.

Again no one is claiming that asphalt last forever or doesn't eventually need to be replaced. The point is that for every time this happens to an asphalt trail, a gravel trail washes away ten times.
Was out for a walk this afternoon. Noticed some new paving on Forwell trail and new signage. This was not here a fortnight ago. I found these signs all along the route. The city has been busy. Looks like they have done a great job on these trails. 

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Forwell @ Dearborne

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Inside Hillside Park.

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University E @ Carter Ave. 
I used to be the mayor of sim city. I know what I am talking about.
(12-07-2014, 07:16 PM)Drake Wrote: [Image: photo2_zps264b1a2e.jpg]

Why is the distance column headed with a bicycle icon? Is the distance different for pedestrians? Wink
Just a guess, but perhaps they include on street bike lanes including some sections where there is not accompanying sidewalk or MUT.
As a BlackBerry user, I am a fan of "hidden" efficiency techniques and features. On their keyboard phones, pressing certain letters would do key tasks more quickly than using a menu, but these functions were not readily explained.

If these signs have such features, simple design notes that communicate a great deal of extra information in quick form, that would be great. But I would like for there to be a clear explanation of all these design details somewhere for easy public consumption.
Exactly! These signs have an inconsistent and somewhat incoherent design. The vertical signs show distance and time for pedestrians and cyclist, e.g. 1.9km, 23min and 8min. But the horizontal signs show only distance. That would be fine if the column heading didn't show a bicycle icon. What's that supposed to mean? That this isn't a pedestrian route? That the distances for pedestrians are different (and if so what are they)?

Why does that column need an icon in the first place? Isn't something like 0.9km self-explanatory to both pedestrians and cyclists?
I've always interpreted the bicycle in those signs which are quite common in Europe to indicate that there is a bike path taking you all the way there.
Quite common where? 

In my experience in central Europe paths and trails are generally open to both modes of transport unless explicitly signed otherwise. AFAIK the paths along Waterloop are all dual-use. In Europe signs on such dual-use paths generally show destinations and the time(*)—not distance—required for a typical pedestrian to reach them. 

The horizontal signs along Waterloop shown above suggest that pedestrians aren't welcome. Is that really the impression we want to leave with path users? I don't think so.

(*) Time is generally more useful than distance in Europe because the terrain is more varied. Time factors in the difficulty of traversing that terrain. That's usually not an issue in Waterloo Region so distance makes more sense here.
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