01-05-2018, 08:00 AM
(01-04-2018, 11:51 PM)tomh009 Wrote: I never said the word "irresponsible", you are putting it in my mouth.
What I am saying is that the concept of "defensive walking" or "defensive cycling" is no different from "defensive driving": essentially you are acting so as to minimize the risk of an accident, even if the fault might lay with the other person.
If you prefer to consider that as "victim blaming", then I'll let you do that -- we do have free speech and all that -- and stop my participation in this conversation right now.
Well, I didn't intend to put words in your mouth, I took saying "not using available defensive measures" as being irresponsible.
(01-04-2018, 11:35 PM)embe Wrote: A blue winter jacket is great. My warmest winter jacket is dark green and I wear it as much as I can in these temps (when shoveling, walking etc.) It's warm and comfortable. There's no particular reason anyone with a blue or dark green jacket would be unsafe, however, it makes sense reflective clothing seems to be safer? The stats may show otherwise, good point.
I doubt there is a study for pedestrians, but at least for cycling, it was correlated with an increase in collisions in one UK study: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/...dds-crash/, but as the article states, there are different results with other studies, so its a muddled issue at best.
That being said, I don't think it is really the point, I don't think it's reasonable to suggest that people need to wear special high visibility clothing to safely bike or walk, and the police should not be using their platform to say it.