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General Politics Discussion
(07-03-2018, 05:03 PM)jeffster Wrote:
(07-03-2018, 02:39 PM)SammyOES Wrote: Yeah, this matches my understanding as well.  Which is very different than what Jeffster said.  The same thing did NOT happen under Obama and is NOT happening in Canada.  A policy of separating children and a policy of not separating children except in very specific circumstances are NOT the same.

I'll also note the way subtle untruths worm their way into people like Jeffster's arguments.  He said:  "Only difference is that their is a huge crises in central America, and more Latino's are flowing through Mexico and into the USA, and so the numbers are up.".  But the Vox article you linked to shows the actual truth:

[Image: FY18_May_Graphic.jpg]

"Obama was faced with a genuine increase in children and families coming to the US; Trump just decided that typical numbers were unacceptable"

So, Jeffster, my question remains.  I'd love to know what your sources are for your comments.

Edit: Also add this quote from Vox:

"It’s worth noting, by the way, that if this chart went back to 2000 or so, the past few years would all look pretty small in terms of border crossings. Unauthorized immigration into the US is still way down from historical levels."

For your viewing pleasure (and I assume this is what you were referring to).

https://www.forbes.com/sites/stratfor/20...eaa50d30c2

My main point though was that detaining children into prison-like settings has happened in Canada, and with previous administrations in the USA. Is it worse now than before? For sure, but there was (and is) very little coverage of it prior to this, and personally, I find it disingenuous that only now are people talking about it. It really is like we didn't care about these kids before (and really, we didn't).

You're intentionally misrepresenting the situations that occurred before.

And very few people today argue that things like residential schools (which are broadly similar to what's being done today), are morally or ethically acceptable.

Suggesting we don't care because in a different situation the same action might be taken simply isn't true.  I mean, I also don't suggest sending children to prison with their guilty of a crime parent or guardian, but I'm not going to use that to try and make justify or at least make a political statement about the intentional horror that Trump is inflicting today.
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