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General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours
(08-12-2018, 11:18 AM)Rainrider22 Wrote: I like how Litt said he is willing to look at providing units for homelss teens if the city allows more floors. Very smart negotiations on his part.

Given the surroundings, I'd be surprised if anyone would oppose an extra storey, in exchange for low-cost units within the building.  It wouldn't even be a big design challenge, istm, - just incorporate a side entrance to a segregated section of the building on the first floor or first two floors at the back of the tower.  I could see a dozen or more studios being incorporated into the project in that way, along with a space for a supervisor, if that were felt to be a requirement for the One Roof clientele.
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Yeah, that's not a good look.
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(08-12-2018, 11:52 AM)Chicopee Wrote:
(08-12-2018, 11:37 AM)panamaniac Wrote: Given the surroundings, I'd be surprised if anyone would oppose an extra storey, in exchange for low-cost units within the building.  It wouldn't even be a big design challenge, istm, - just incorporate a side entrance to a segregated section of the building on the first floor or first two floors at the back of the tower.  I could see a dozen or more studios being incorporated into the project in that way, along with a space for a supervisor, if that were felt to be a requirement for the One Roof clientele.

Of course this situation is quite different, but the idea of separate entrances for market units vs. affordable units has been in the news lately in Vancouver. They've been dubbed "poor doors", and it's created a stir.

A non-issue, imho.
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(08-12-2018, 10:41 AM)panamaniac Wrote: If I were One Roof, I'd be holding out for a number of low rent studio apartments in the new building itself, along with financial assistance for the creation of a new One Roof facility in another central location.   Seems to me that they are in the driver's seat wrt this proposal, at least in its present form.

They definitely have all of the control.  Unless Vive was going to redesign the project, but my guess is they've explored that option and it doesn't make sense.
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(08-12-2018, 11:52 AM)Chicopee Wrote:
(08-12-2018, 11:37 AM)panamaniac Wrote: Given the surroundings, I'd be surprised if anyone would oppose an extra storey, in exchange for low-cost units within the building.  It wouldn't even be a big design challenge, istm, - just incorporate a side entrance to a segregated section of the building on the first floor or first two floors at the back of the tower.  I could see a dozen or more studios being incorporated into the project in that way, along with a space for a supervisor, if that were felt to be a requirement for the One Roof clientele.

Of course this situation is quite different, but the idea of separate entrances for market units vs. affordable units has been in the news lately in Vancouver. They've been dubbed "poor doors", and it's created a stir.

I remember NYC going through a huge issue with poor doors a number of years ago.
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(08-12-2018, 11:52 AM)Chicopee Wrote:
(08-12-2018, 11:37 AM)panamaniac Wrote: Given the surroundings, I'd be surprised if anyone would oppose an extra storey, in exchange for low-cost units within the building.  It wouldn't even be a big design challenge, istm, - just incorporate a side entrance to a segregated section of the building on the first floor or first two floors at the back of the tower.  I could see a dozen or more studios being incorporated into the project in that way, along with a space for a supervisor, if that were felt to be a requirement for the One Roof clientele.

Of course this situation is quite different, but the idea of separate entrances for market units vs. affordable units has been in the news lately in Vancouver. They've been dubbed "poor doors", and it's created a stir.

In general, I would be opposed to segregated entrances for affordable units. However … if these would essentially be shelter units managed by One Roof, then the separate entrance would probably be the right solution.

It definitely appears that it's a collaborative discussion between Vive and One Roof, even if the meeting might have been a surprise. Hopefully they will work out a solution.
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(08-12-2018, 11:37 AM)panamaniac Wrote:
(08-12-2018, 11:18 AM)Rainrider22 Wrote: I like how Litt said he is willing to look at providing units for homelss teens if the city allows more floors. Very smart negotiations on his part.

Given the surroundings, I'd be surprised if anyone would oppose an extra storey, in exchange for low-cost units within the building.  It wouldn't even be a big design challenge, istm, - just incorporate a side entrance to a segregated section of the building on the first floor or first two floors at the back of the tower.  I could see a dozen or more studios being incorporated into the project in that way, along with a space for a supervisor, if that were felt to be a requirement for the One Roof clientele.

Absolutely! I live across the street from this development, and anyone who brings up the neighbourhood argument here, well they're full of crap. The neighbourhood is a number of multi-unit dwellings, some of which are actually quite old. It is, in fact, these houses which don't match the character of the neighbourhood.

I'll also point out, we've had no negative experiences living next to One Roof, there is a reasonable chance they may get opposition from where they want to move too, but it's entirely unwarranted.
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Right now there is a very aggressive push by some in the neighbourhood to get ROOF out, to close down the public washroom, because both are seen as causes of the presence of people that some don't want around. They have been going door to door with a petition which, at the time, was more about proactive enforcement, but the petitioner laid enough groundwork that I suspect they want things like that.
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(08-12-2018, 11:52 AM)Chicopee Wrote:
(08-12-2018, 11:37 AM)panamaniac Wrote: Given the surroundings, I'd be surprised if anyone would oppose an extra storey, in exchange for low-cost units within the building.  It wouldn't even be a big design challenge, istm, - just incorporate a side entrance to a segregated section of the building on the first floor or first two floors at the back of the tower.  I could see a dozen or more studios being incorporated into the project in that way, along with a space for a supervisor, if that were felt to be a requirement for the One Roof clientele.

Of course this situation is quite different, but the idea of separate entrances for market units vs. affordable units has been in the news lately in Vancouver. They've been dubbed "poor doors", and it's created a stir.

I was going to say this. Same in NYC and I think they are now banned.
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(08-13-2018, 09:08 AM)Viewfromthe42 Wrote: Right now there is a very aggressive push by some in the neighbourhood to get ROOF out, to close down the public washroom, because both are seen as causes of the presence of people that some don't want around. They have been going door to door with a petition which, at the time, was more about proactive enforcement, but the petitioner laid enough groundwork that I suspect they want things like that.

That's so frustrating...what right does anyone in the city have to say that they have a right to try to get rid of other people they don't like the looks of.
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Last week I noticed fencing had been installed at Frederick Mall on the corner of Frederick and Edna.  This morning I saw a backhoe at work.  I assume this is for Tim Horton's.
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Construction fencing up on Ottawa between King & Charles. Some heavy equipment sitting out back and minor demolition has begun.

Is there a page for what's happening here?
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(08-13-2018, 10:33 AM)danbrotherston Wrote:
(08-13-2018, 09:08 AM)Viewfromthe42 Wrote: Right now there is a very aggressive push by some in the neighbourhood to get ROOF out, to close down the public washroom, because both are seen as causes of the presence of people that some don't want around. They have been going door to door with a petition which, at the time, was more about proactive enforcement, but the petitioner laid enough groundwork that I suspect they want things like that.

That's so frustrating...what right does anyone in the city have to say that they have a right to try to get rid of other people they don't like the looks of.

To me it's the same attitude as NIMBYism, the same idea that a neighbour who wants to work or live downtown shouldn't be able to, because they'd change "neighbourhood character". Every time I see the signs up on front lawns saying that the people there support refugees, welcome them, but then know that those neighbourhoods oppose development in, nearby, or even appropriate for the core areas of a region which will not long be three quarters of a million people, I lose my mind a bit at the contradiction.
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(08-13-2018, 11:15 AM)Ace Wrote: Construction fencing up on Ottawa between King & Charles. Some heavy equipment sitting out back and minor demolition has begun.

Is there a page for what's happening here?

Not for a demolition.  Afaik, there is no redevelopment proposal for the site yet, beyond widening Ottawa St.
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(08-13-2018, 11:20 AM)Viewfromthe42 Wrote: To me it's the same attitude as NIMBYism, the same idea that a neighbour who wants to work or live downtown shouldn't be able to, because they'd change "neighbourhood character". Every time I see the signs up on front lawns saying that the people there support refugees, welcome them, but then know that those neighbourhoods oppose development in, nearby, or even appropriate for the core areas of a region which will not long be three quarters of a million people, I lose my mind a bit at the contradiction.

It's a contradiction for the neighbourhood, sure. But the people with the signs are not necessarily the ones with the NIMBY attitudes.
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