(09-05-2018, 09:28 PM)tomh009 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2018, 05:49 PM)danbrotherston Wrote: [ -> ]A cyclist was killed in Victoria park after crashing into the gates around the railway. It is a main reason that the crossing was reconstructed and the gates were opened .
Thanks. What were the circumstances? For example, was it in the dark? (Now the trail is lit.) Or were there other contributing factors why the cyclist had such a serious (and presumably high-speed) crash?
Does this regularly happen in other cities, too? My attempts at searching were unsuccessful, possibly I'm not using the right keywords for the search.
https://www.thestar.com/yourtoronto/the_...lists.html
https://raisethehammer.org/article/3434/...edoke_path
It doesn't seem to kill people that often but it's not best practice.
Clearly the path is encouraging speeding since it is over sized for what is needed and needs to be put on a diet in order to reduce speeds and increase safety
(09-05-2018, 09:28 PM)tomh009 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2018, 05:49 PM)danbrotherston Wrote: [ -> ]A cyclist was killed in Victoria park after crashing into the gates around the railway. It is a main reason that the crossing was reconstructed and the gates were opened .
Thanks. What were the circumstances? For example, was it in the dark? (Now the trail is lit.) Or were there other contributing factors why the cyclist had such a serious (and presumably high-speed) crash?
Does this regularly happen in other cities, too? My attempts at searching were unsuccessful, possibly I'm not using the right keywords for the search.
This was at night, in the dark, but they're definitely not good practice. I have had near collisions. And if it is a busy trail like this they'll cause congestion. Bollards serve exactly thensametpurpose. They aren't great for trail users but they're immeasurably better.
Frankly this conversation is just another example of how we have no trust in our traffic engineers to do a competent job.
(09-06-2018, 08:49 AM)danbrotherston Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2018, 09:28 PM)tomh009 Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks. What were the circumstances? For example, was it in the dark? (Now the trail is lit.) Or were there other contributing factors why the cyclist had such a serious (and presumably high-speed) crash?
Does this regularly happen in other cities, too? My attempts at searching were unsuccessful, possibly I'm not using the right keywords for the search.
This was at night, in the dark, but they're definitely not good practice. I have had near collisions. And if it is a busy trail like this they'll cause congestion. Bollards serve exactly thensametpurpose. They aren't great for trail users but they're immeasurably better.
I think bollards prevent car traffic but not motorcycles, and they do not slow down bicycles. Or am I mistaken?
(09-04-2018, 10:57 AM)Viewfromthe42 Wrote: [ -> ]Any suggestions for the safest way to get from Victoria Park to Galt by bike? I've never gone farther south than Rockway and maybe one trip to MEC.
Take the IHT to Rockway and then go down Preston Rd or Rockway to Doon Rd and then follow that straight south through a path to Cornell Ave and then take the bridge over the highway and turn left on Boniface and then turn left on another path that goes over to Wilson and follow Wilson to Homer Watson park and then take the path to mill Park drive, then take Old Mill toward Conestoga college and cross the 401 at the pediatrician bridge and then follow the Walter bean trail along the river to Galt.
What I find very confusing (to me) is how the trail from University to Seagram directs me not onto the separated trail on the east side of the rail tracks, but to the west side of the tracks, which only joins up right before the bridges at the south end.
I was on a run yesterday with a group through Waterloo Park, and I was surprised how much "bounce" a group of 20 or so runners can generate on the new bridge. It was almost enough to make one seasick! :-O
(09-05-2018, 10:40 PM)plam Wrote: [ -> ] (09-05-2018, 09:28 PM)tomh009 Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks. What were the circumstances? For example, was it in the dark? (Now the trail is lit.) Or were there other contributing factors why the cyclist had such a serious (and presumably high-speed) crash?
Does this regularly happen in other cities, too? My attempts at searching were unsuccessful, possibly I'm not using the right keywords for the search.
https://www.thestar.com/yourtoronto/the_...lists.html
https://raisethehammer.org/article/3434/...edoke_path
It doesn't seem to kill people that often but it's not best practice.
Near the end of the second article, the author appears to approve of a double gate arrangement (at Mineral Springs) slowing people down, provided that there is sufficient space between the two gates. (The first article's gates are a bit different as they appear to be intended to block car traffic only.)
(09-06-2018, 09:18 AM)tomh009 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-06-2018, 08:49 AM)danbrotherston Wrote: [ -> ]This was at night, in the dark, but they're definitely not good practice. I have had near collisions. And if it is a busy trail like this they'll cause congestion. Bollards serve exactly thensametpurpose. They aren't great for trail users but they're immeasurably better.
I think bollards prevent car traffic but not motorcycles, and they do not slow down bicycles. Or am I mistaken?
Motorcycles aren't a real problem on trails in the region. Also we shouldn't be slowing cyclists , either in that manner, to that degree, or at all in this context .
(09-06-2018, 11:58 AM)Viewfromthe42 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-06-2018, 11:44 AM)clasher Wrote: [ -> ]Take the IHT to Rockway and then go down Preston Rd or Rockway to Doon Rd and then follow that straight south through a path to Cornell Ave and then take the bridge over the highway and turn left on Boniface and then turn left on another path that goes over to Wilson and follow Wilson to Homer Watson park and then take the path to mill Park drive, then take Old Mill toward Conestoga college and cross the 401 at the pediatrician bridge and then follow the Walter bean trail along the river to Galt.
Like this?
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/43.44385...640211!3e1
Aye, exactly what I had in mind. The only hairy part can be crossing Fairway but I've done it at rush hour... or there's always the sidewalk if no one is around.
(09-06-2018, 06:23 PM)danbrotherston Wrote: [ -> ] (09-06-2018, 09:18 AM)tomh009 Wrote: [ -> ]I think bollards prevent car traffic but not motorcycles, and they do not slow down bicycles. Or am I mistaken?
Motorcycles aren't a real problem on trails in the region. Also we shouldn't be slowing cyclists , either in that manner, to that degree, or at all in this context .
I believe that planners think otherwise -- that bicyclists should slow down for railway and road crossings.
(09-06-2018, 09:48 PM)tomh009 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-06-2018, 06:23 PM)danbrotherston Wrote: [ -> ]Motorcycles aren't a real problem on trails in the region. Also we shouldn't be slowing cyclists , either in that manner, to that degree, or at all in this context .
I believe that planners think otherwise -- that bicyclists should slow down for railway and road crossings.
I could say more but I'll leave it at this: I've already made my feelings about the abilities of some of our engineers clear in this thread.
(09-06-2018, 09:55 PM)danbrotherston Wrote: [ -> ] (09-06-2018, 09:48 PM)tomh009 Wrote: [ -> ]I believe that planners think otherwise -- that bicyclists should slow down for railway and road crossings.
I could say more but I'll leave it at this: I've already made my feelings about the abilities of some of our engineers clear in this thread.
But can you clarify, do
you believe that bicyclists do
not need to slow down for road or rail crossings?