General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - Printable Version +- Waterloo Region Connected (https://www.waterlooregionconnected.com) +-- Forum: Land Development and Real Estate (https://www.waterlooregionconnected.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=4) +--- Forum: Urban Areas (https://www.waterlooregionconnected.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=5) +--- Thread: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours (/showthread.php?tid=8) Pages:
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RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - Acitta - 03-10-2021 (03-10-2021, 02:58 PM)tomh009 Wrote: Things look to be happening at Rockway, in the block bounded by Charles St E, Sydney St S and Delta St.Delta St. is permanently closed and is supposed to be redeveloped as a cycling/pedestrian route. RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - tomh009 - 03-10-2021 (03-10-2021, 05:59 PM)Acitta Wrote:(03-10-2021, 02:58 PM)tomh009 Wrote: Things look to be happening at Rockway, in the block bounded by Charles St E, Sydney St S and Delta St. That, too, yes. Although the sign still says "proposed multi-use trail". However, that's separate from any construction activity on the block. RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - Rainrider22 - 03-11-2021 (03-10-2021, 02:58 PM)tomh009 Wrote: Things look to be happening at Rockway, in the block bounded by Charles St E, Sydney St S and Delta St.That building used to be Grand River Cable at one time, before they were purchased by Rogers.... RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - ac3r - 03-12-2021 NIMBYs are hoping to block the proposed residential tower at 22 Weber Street, claiming it will disrupt the heritage of the area, as if a dilapidated surface lot doesn't look worse: https://www.aconwr.ca/blog/uncategorized/development-proposal-for-22-weber-street-west/ RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - Rainrider22 - 03-12-2021 There is a commercial office tower almost across the street too.... RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - catarctica - 03-12-2021 Where can we show support for city densification in general? We can’t have 2 condos canceled by NIMBYs in a week. RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - danbrotherston - 03-12-2021 (03-12-2021, 06:15 PM)catarctica Wrote: Where can we show support for city densification in general? We can’t have 2 condos canceled by NIMBYs in a week. Email city council. If you have the time, show up at a council meeting. RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - nms - 03-13-2021 How much grief could the developer for 22 Weber St have saved if they had stayed within the existing zoning limitations? Or, what kind of outreach within a community could a developer do before making a proposal in order to get the community on their side? If you promise community space of some sort (a rentable, multipurpose community room perhaps?) or some sort of gathering space outside (eg a restaurant space with patio? Benches for informal gatherings?). RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - dtkmelissa - 03-13-2021 (03-12-2021, 06:15 PM)catarctica Wrote: Where can we show support for city densification in general? We can’t have 2 condos canceled by NIMBYs in a week.We always have room for new folks to join our Waterloo Region YIMBY meetings https://www.wryimby.com/ RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - danbrotherston - 03-13-2021 (03-13-2021, 04:53 PM)nms Wrote: How much grief could the developer for 22 Weber St have saved if they had stayed within the existing zoning limitations? None, are you naive? In Toronto, we have a community ralleying behind a bloody parking lot. There is no proposal that will get "the community" on side. We have it here too, we have midrange rental units being scaled back because of "heritage" claims for a dilapidated unremarkable house surrounded by highrises. RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - nms - 03-14-2021 No, Dan, I am not naïve. There are projects all the time that proceed in this Region, many of them without needing variances or density bonusing that appears to be tilted in the developers favour. Yes, there is neighbourhood opposition in many cases, but it is a lot easier for a politician or staff to approve a project if it clear that it fits within the existing guidelines. Politicians side with the neighbourhood against a developer if it is clear that the developer is asking for more than the density bonusing was intended for in the first place. Density bonusing in itself is a poor way to plan a community. The community, through its planners, its politicians and its community engagement should be able to set the limits and guidelines for the community that the developers are willing to to play within. The community should not be forced to bribe developers (or have developers bribe the community) in order to achieve what we want in this community. Community benefits should not be transactional. Cities managed to demand that developers include running water, electricity and properly built buildings without giving away extra density to make it worth the builders while. Yes, I know that the building code is not managed at the municipal level, but I can't at the moment come up with a good example of where the Cities have set rules for development and the developers can't choose not to follow them unless there is a little something extra in it for them. RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - danbrotherston - 03-15-2021 (03-14-2021, 09:52 PM)nms Wrote: No, Dan, I am not naïve. There are projects all the time that proceed in this Region, many of them without needing variances or density bonusing that appears to be tilted in the developers favour. Yes, there is neighbourhood opposition in many cases, but it is a lot easier for a politician or staff to approve a project if it clear that it fits within the existing guidelines. Politicians side with the neighbourhood against a developer if it is clear that the developer is asking for more than the density bonusing was intended for in the first place. It's not easier, it's unnecessary. If the project meets zoning, then they don't have to approve it. But as you point out, the community still opposes and communities which have the resources still make it a nightmare for developers. I.e., no, developers don't save grief by following zoning. The city is generally on the side of developers and the city is easy to negotiate with. It's the neighbours that are holding things up, and killing projects. RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - taylortbb - 03-15-2021 (03-14-2021, 09:52 PM)nms Wrote: Density bonusing in itself is a poor way to plan a community. The community, through its planners, its politicians and its community engagement should be able to set the limits and guidelines for the community that the developers are willing to to play within. The community should not be forced to bribe developers (or have developers bribe the community) in order to achieve what we want in this community. Community benefits should not be transactional. The problem is cities are constrained by provincial restrictions on zoning. Zoning has a lot of rules around what it's allowed to specify, and what it's not. However, what the city can do is set zoning low, and then only agree to zoning changes when the developer agrees to things that can't be written in to the zoning bylaw itself. Standards like "high quality architecture" can only be enforced this way. I think it's questionable if those things really are worth enforcing that way, because a lot of the time developers just build the mediocre buildings within zoning rules. But it really is a fully intentional part of our zoning, and an attempt by cities to control things they otherwise couldn't. RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - tomh009 - 03-15-2021 (03-14-2021, 09:52 PM)nms Wrote: Density bonusing in itself is a poor way to plan a community. The community, through its planners, its politicians and its community engagement should be able to set the limits and guidelines for the community that the developers are willing to to play within. The community should not be forced to bribe developers (or have developers bribe the community) in order to achieve what we want in this community. Community benefits should not be transactional. Cities managed to demand that developers include running water, electricity and properly built buildings without giving away extra density to make it worth the builders while. Yes, I know that the building code is not managed at the municipal level, but I can't at the moment come up with a good example of where the Cities have set rules for development and the developers can't choose not to follow them unless there is a little something extra in it for them. And that's what the zoning bylaws do. If the proposed development meets the zoning bylaw requirements, there is no need for variances or bonusing -- or neighbourhood negotiations. Because the community, through its planners and its politicians, has already defined those zoning parameters. But then the city (and the community) have no direct input or influence on what is built (as long as it meets zoning), and there will rarely be "extras" like affordable housing units, green space, or better architecture or materials. If you think this is the better way, then you need to push city council to strictly enforce zoning bylaws and refuse any variances, regardless of what improvements are offered in exchange. RE: General Urban Kitchener Updates and Rumours - Joedelay Highhoe - 03-15-2021 (03-10-2021, 05:59 PM)Acitta Wrote:(03-10-2021, 02:58 PM)tomh009 Wrote: Things look to be happening at Rockway, in the block bounded by Charles St E, Sydney St S and Delta St.Delta St. is permanently closed and is supposed to be redeveloped as a cycling/pedestrian route. That's also where I tend to spray my tee shots on Rockway #10 |