(08-12-2024, 06:03 PM)Bytor Wrote:

(08-12-2024, 05:32 PM)dtkvictim Wrote: Some of these pictures are bit old, but the only thing that changed is the paint was added. The block between Francis and Water hasn't had the top coat added for some reason, so it's been pretty rough for a few weeks now.

Is this a new, recent pave after redoing a a street, the first layer of asphalt?

Then it is very common to wait.

You need to let everything underneath settle before putting on the asphalt's top layer as some parts will subside more and others less. Once everything has had a season or two to settle then you apply the top layer which will be thicker where the binding layer has settled more and thinner where it has settled less.

If you put on the top layer right as soon as the binding layer has cooled and hardened (3-4 days) it would just settle right along with the binding layer and your street, driveway, or parking lot would end up uneven. Plus, the dual-layer construction like that also helps it resist frost heave better.

(08-13-2024, 03:17 PM)neonjoe Wrote:

(08-13-2024, 02:56 PM)cherrypark Wrote: Unclear on if that cross ride on the north side of the Duke/Victoria intersection means that that sidewalk is a theoretical cycling route or MUT? The rest looks great and is a welcome improvement, however much I wish it went the whole way down Duke.

I would suspect that that portion is on hold pending the construction of the transit hub. 
Duke St will be closed to vehicular traffic and a new pedestrian/cycling underpass will be constructed.

(08-12-2024, 05:32 PM)dtkvictim Wrote:

(08-13-2024, 10:55 AM)tomh009 Wrote:

(08-13-2024, 10:03 AM)danbrotherston Wrote: The depth of the freezing is clearly different but we do get frost on the ground some days.

But I’d never heard that it is about frost heaving in winter. Like, that’s usually something that affects subsurface structures mostly. The leaving of asphalt I’ve always been told was about letting the first layer settle and compress under loads before doing the final lift.

Frost on the pavement is not a problem.

Frozen ground absolutely can cause unevenness in the pavement. Not terrible in SW Ontario, but still there, depending on the winter and the location. Not paving the final coat until the following summer is a very logical thing to reduce the risk of frost damage to new pavement.

(08-13-2024, 04:43 PM)ac3r Wrote: How does this differ from a sidewalk? Wouldn't it just be cheaper to let cyclists legally use existing sidewalks - especially since most cyclists ride on the sidewalk anyway? Really, is it a big deal? Do you regularly hear on the news stories about horrific bike and pedestrian crashes that take place on sidewalks? Of course not.

A lot of the "multi-use trails" don't make sense. Sure some are wider - especially downtown, we're just turning the whole place into a sea of concrete and asphalt, nice...I mean look at that, it looks like shit - but many of them aren't. By definition, pedestrians can use them and thousands do each day. Why is sharing a space with pedestrians okay if you call it a "multi-use trail" but not okay if it's a sidewalk? Trails are good but what the hell was the point in spending millions of dollars just to pour some asphalt and paint it? Pic related. Barely anyone walks here, let alone cycles. The sidewalks were just fine to handle both. I look at these pictures and think wow they are just burning my money in front of me instead of using it for something important. This is not to say trails are bad, but whoever is demanding, designing and approving these needs to be shot into the sun.

(08-13-2024, 04:43 PM)ac3r Wrote: How does this differ from a sidewalk? Wouldn't it just be cheaper to let cyclists legally use existing sidewalks - especially since most cyclists ride on the sidewalk anyway? Really, is it a big deal? Do you regularly hear on the news stories about horrific bike and pedestrian crashes that take place on sidewalks? Of course not.

(08-13-2024, 04:43 PM)ac3r Wrote: Why is sharing a space with pedestrians okay if you call it a "multi-use trail" but not okay if it's a sidewalk?

(08-13-2024, 04:43 PM)ac3r Wrote: especially downtown, we're just turning the whole place into a sea of concrete and asphalt, nice...I mean look at that, it looks like shit

(08-13-2024, 10:55 AM)tomh009 Wrote:

(08-13-2024, 10:03 AM)danbrotherston Wrote: The depth of the freezing is clearly different but we do get frost on the ground some days.

But I’d never heard that it is about frost heaving in winter. Like, that’s usually something that affects subsurface structures mostly. The leaving of asphalt I’ve always been told was about letting the first layer settle and compress under loads before doing the final lift.

Frost on the pavement is not a problem.

Frozen ground absolutely can cause unevenness in the pavement. Not terrible in SW Ontario, but still there, depending on the winter and the location. Not paving the final coat until the following summer is a very logical thing to reduce the risk of frost damage to new pavement.

(10-29-2024, 09:03 PM)dtkvictim Wrote: Current state of the Duke cycle tracks east of Frederick. Should be usable pretty soon - if only they actually connected to the downtown grid...

(10-29-2024, 09:12 PM)ZEBuilder Wrote:

(10-29-2024, 09:03 PM)dtkvictim Wrote: Current state of the Duke cycle tracks east of Frederick. Should be usable pretty soon - if only they actually connected to the downtown grid...

Now we just wait for Ford and the rest of his hooligans to force us to rip it out along with the rest of the grid for that matter because cars are king in Ontario and everyone else doesn't matter.