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RE: GO Transit - SammyOES - 12-21-2018
"This is an important first step toward fulfilling our campaign commitment of two-way, all-day GO service, with further developments expected in 12 to 18 months."
This is the thing with these things. If they pull a rabbit out of the hat in 12-18 month, then great. If they don't, they're just that much closer to the next election. This also seems like kind of a funny issue because I imagine the vast majority of people that care about this issue are going to see through BS like "25% improvement in service" or similar gimmicks in 18 months. And the rest of the people probably just don't care?
RE: GO Transit - KingandWeber - 12-21-2018
(12-21-2018, 01:01 PM)SammyOES Wrote: "This is an important first step toward fulfilling our campaign commitment of two-way, all-day GO service, with further developments expected in 12 to 18 months."
This is the thing with these things. If they pull a rabbit out of the hat in 12-18 month, then great. If they don't, they're just that much closer to the next election. This also seems like kind of a funny issue because I imagine the vast majority of people that care about this issue are going to see through BS like "25% improvement in service" or similar gimmicks in 18 months. And the rest of the people probably just don't care?
The "25% increase" language is what annoys me most. We're not idiots; you're adding one single train per day each way. The only possible reason for using a percentage is to obfuscate. Also, it's been said before, but the "Ontario's government for the people" line sounds like bad satire of promotional material from an authoritarian regime.
RE: GO Transit - ijmorlan - 12-21-2018
(12-21-2018, 12:49 PM)Bob_McBob Wrote: https://www.therecord.com/opinion-story/9093613-ford-government-intent-on-moving-forward-on-two-way-all-day-go-service-in-waterloo-region/
Some absurd propaganda about GO service from Amy Fee, Mike Harris, and Belinda Karahalios in today's Record. Absolutely shameless.
And what’s with this “Ontario’s Government for the People” BS? What next, we’ll officially be renamed the “People’s Democratic Republic of Ontario”? It makes me miss “Canada’s New Government” under Harper.
RE: GO Transit - NotStan - 12-21-2018
(12-21-2018, 02:09 PM)KingandWeber Wrote:When there are 4 trains a day and you add one, it is a 25% increase. If instead they had dropped a train do you not think the opposition would say its a 33% decrease instead of saying they dropped 1 train?(12-21-2018, 01:01 PM)SammyOES Wrote: "This is an important first step toward fulfilling our campaign commitment of two-way, all-day GO service, with further developments expected in 12 to 18 months."
This is the thing with these things. If they pull a rabbit out of the hat in 12-18 month, then great. If they don't, they're just that much closer to the next election. This also seems like kind of a funny issue because I imagine the vast majority of people that care about this issue are going to see through BS like "25% improvement in service" or similar gimmicks in 18 months. And the rest of the people probably just don't care?
The "25% increase" language is what annoys me most. We're not idiots; you're adding one single train per day each way. The only possible reason for using a percentage is to obfuscate. Also, it's been said before, but the "Ontario's government for the people" line sounds like bad satire of promotional material from an authoritarian regime.
RE: GO Transit - SammyOES - 12-21-2018
Who cares? This is what I mean - this is an issue where it feels like the people that care know exactly what 1 train (either way) means.
RE: GO Transit - danbrotherston - 12-21-2018
(12-21-2018, 01:01 PM)SammyOES Wrote: "This is an important first step toward fulfilling our campaign commitment of two-way, all-day GO service, with further developments expected in 12 to 18 months."
This is the thing with these things. If they pull a rabbit out of the hat in 12-18 month, then great. If they don't, they're just that much closer to the next election. This also seems like kind of a funny issue because I imagine the vast majority of people that care about this issue are going to see through BS like "25% improvement in service" or similar gimmicks in 18 months. And the rest of the people probably just don't care?
My issue with the "25% improvement" is that it's actually a reduction in service for many, if not most riders. The loss of the express train has cost them several of my coworkers as passengers.
And yes, pulling a rabbit out of a hat is a reasonable metaphor, I have no doubt they'll announce something, that they will dress up and pretend it's frequent all day two way service, but there is no universe where it is the serve that we need or were promised.
RE: GO Transit - panamaniac - 12-21-2018
"Loss of express train"?
RE: GO Transit - KevinL - 12-21-2018
One of our morning trains used to skip all stations after Bramalea, and go straight to Union. It now runs local-only.
RE: GO Transit - timio - 12-21-2018
Afternoon train (current 1650). The morning train (605) is still express.
RE: GO Transit - KevinL - 12-21-2018
Whoops, got that backwards!
RE: GO Transit - Bob_McBob - 12-21-2018
The 4:50pm express service is very popular with local commuters. The equivalent train in the new schedule leaves at 5:02pm and takes an extra 15 minutes, getting you home nearly 30 minutes later.
RE: GO Transit - timio - 12-21-2018
The morning trains have shifted times in the new schedule:
524 becomes 515
604 > 605 (still express)
647 > 645
710 > 710
RE: GO Transit - tvot - 12-22-2018
Does anyone else remember or have a vague recollection of a report put out by Communitech or maybe local government on the impact of 2-way-all-day service? I think there were numbers like $300 million investment for a projected $6 billion impact, but I could be off.
I was searching online a while ago and couldn't find much. I'm wondering if it might be time for a revised report to help local lobbying efforts for better service, given that the current Ontario government claims to be open for business.
RE: GO Transit - dtkmelissa - 12-22-2018
(12-22-2018, 01:29 PM)tvot Wrote: Does anyone else remember or have a vague recollection of a report put out by Communitech or maybe local government on the impact of 2-way-all-day service? I think there were numbers like $300 million investment for a projected $6 billion impact, but I could be off.
I was searching online a while ago and couldn't find much. I'm wondering if it might be time for a revised report to help local lobbying efforts for better service, given that the current Ontario government claims to be open for business.
There was a business plan put out by the City of Kitchener, I believe in 2015. Is this (see attached) what you're referring to?
RE: GO Transit - tvot - 12-24-2018
(12-22-2018, 02:29 PM)dtkmelissa Wrote: There was a business plan put out by the City of Kitchener, I believe in 2015. Is this (see attached) what you're referring to?
I guess that must have been it... about the right length compared to my memory.
Maybe it needs to be dusted off, edited into two versions and sent off to the Province and the Feds. The version for the province can stress pure economics and we can leave the environmental impacts in for the feds
