+- Waterloo Region Connected (https://www.waterlooregionconnected.com)
+-- Forum: Waterloo Region Works (https://www.waterlooregionconnected.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=14)
+--- Forum: Transportation and Infrastructure (https://www.waterlooregionconnected.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=25)
+--- Thread: GO Transit (/showthread.php?tid=12)
Pages:
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
26
27
28
29
30
31
32
33
34
35
36
37
38
39
40
41
42
43
44
45
46
47
48
49
50
51
52
53
54
55
56
57
58
59
60
61
62
63
64
65
66
67
68
69
70
71
72
73
74
75
76
77
78
79
80
81
82
83
84
85
86
87
88
89
90
91
92
93
94
95
96
97
98
99
100
101
102
103
104
105
106
107
108
109
110
111
112
113
114
115
116
117
118
119
120
121
122
123
124
125
126
127
128
129
130
131
132
133
134
135
136
137
138
139
140
141
142
143
144
145
146
RE: GO Transit - Chris - 08-26-2019
Guelph needs to move the historic Locomotive 6167
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/guelph-historic-locomotive-metrolinx-needs-to-move-1.5257802
CBC Wrote:The city has been leasing the property, but Metrolinx told the city in December 2018 it will be terminating the lease agreement. That triggered a part of the agreement that says the locomotive must be moved off the land within two years. Metrolinx plans to extend the south platform for "two-way, all-day GO Transit service," a staff report to council says. Dates for that to happen were not in the report.
RE: GO Transit - MidTowner - 08-26-2019
ijmorlan Wrote:What I don’t understand about stopping in Guelph is this: where do they park the train? Do they deadhead it to Shirley Drive? Seems weird to kick everybody off in Guelph if so.
According to sources on urban Toronto, they will indeed be deadheading the rest of the way to Kitchener. Track manoeuvres with other traffic means they can't have much hope for schedule adherence on that part of the line at that time of night, apparently.
RE: GO Transit - taylortbb - 08-26-2019
(08-26-2019, 01:56 PM)MidTowner Wrote:ijmorlan Wrote:What I don’t understand about stopping in Guelph is this: where do they park the train? Do they deadhead it to Shirley Drive? Seems weird to kick everybody off in Guelph if so.
According to sources on urban Toronto, they will indeed be deadheading the rest of the way to Kitchener. Track manoeuvres with other traffic means they can't have much hope for schedule adherence on that part of the line at that time of night, apparently.
I think beyond just schedule adherence, they expect the train will spend significant time sitting on a siding waiting for freight traffic. So I understand not wanting a schedule that involves taking an hour or more to get from Guelph to KW.
RE: GO Transit - Rainrider22 - 08-26-2019
Time to double that line up then !!! ridiculous in today's day and age...
RE: GO Transit - Chris - 08-26-2019
Kitchener GO trains to get new SmartTrack stations in Toronto
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/kitchener-go-train-line-smarttrack-stations-toronto-1.5260407
King Liberty Smart Track http://smarttrack.to/smarttrack/new-stations/liberty-village-station/
St Clair Smart Track http://smarttrack.to/smarttrack/new-stations/st-clair-west-station/
Personally I'm looking forward to the stop at Liberty Village and access the Village and Exhibition place. Not sure of the timing though. Only thing I saw was this is part of a 12 year investment in transit by the feds.
CBC Wrote:The federal funds come from the federal government's $180-billion, 12-year infrastructure plan.
RE: GO Transit - KevinT - 08-27-2019
(08-26-2019, 11:04 PM)Chris Wrote: Kitchener GO trains to get new SmartTrack stations in Toronto
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/kitchener-go-train-line-smarttrack-stations-toronto-1.5260407
King Liberty Smart Track http://smarttrack.to/smarttrack/new-stations/liberty-village-station/
St Clair Smart Track http://smarttrack.to/smarttrack/new-stations/st-clair-west-station/
Personally I'm looking forward to the stop at Liberty Village and access the Village and Exhibition place. Not sure of the timing though. Only thing I saw was this is part of a 12 year investment in transit by the feds.
CBC Wrote:The federal funds come from the federal government's $180-billion, 12-year infrastructure plan.
That would be great if the line and the train cars were electrified, but with diesel hauled 12 car trains and their slow acceleration these extra stops will add 10 minutes to the trip and erase the gains recently made between Kitchener and Guelph. :-(
RE: GO Transit - danbrotherston - 08-27-2019
(08-27-2019, 09:43 PM)KevinT Wrote:(08-26-2019, 11:04 PM)Chris Wrote: Kitchener GO trains to get new SmartTrack stations in Toronto
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/kitchener-waterloo/kitchener-go-train-line-smarttrack-stations-toronto-1.5260407
King Liberty Smart Track http://smarttrack.to/smarttrack/new-stations/liberty-village-station/
St Clair Smart Track http://smarttrack.to/smarttrack/new-stations/st-clair-west-station/
Personally I'm looking forward to the stop at Liberty Village and access the Village and Exhibition place. Not sure of the timing though. Only thing I saw was this is part of a 12 year investment in transit by the feds.
That would be great if the line and the train cars were electrified, but with diesel hauled 12 car trains and their slow acceleration these extra stops will add 10 minutes to the trip and erase the gains recently made between Kitchener and Guelph. :-(
That was exactly my thoughts....*sigh*...
RE: GO Transit - tomh009 - 08-27-2019
Maybe just get off the train at Liberty Village, and avoid the crowds at Union Station?
RE: GO Transit - timio - 08-27-2019
I recall something about long distance trains not stopping at the ST stations, requiring a transfer at an intermediate station.
This would limit the impact of additional acceleration/deceleration of the diesels.
RE: GO Transit - danbrotherston - 08-27-2019
(08-27-2019, 10:16 PM)tomh009 Wrote: Maybe just get off the train at Liberty Village, and avoid the crowds at Union Station?
I work a block from Union...at Liberty Village I'd have already waited through almost all the extra stops. Of course, given how long it takes to get into union, it might actually be better, who knows.
That being said, yes, I do hope they don't make all stops...but then that would be complex in terms of both scheduling of trains, and for users of the system.
RE: GO Transit - tomh009 - 08-28-2019
(08-27-2019, 10:19 PM)danbrotherston Wrote: That being said, yes, I do hope they don't make all stops...but then that would be complex in terms of both scheduling of trains, and for users of the system.
I've heard rumours of some countries running both "express" and "local" trains on the same line. Maybe that could work?
RE: GO Transit - jamincan - 08-28-2019
From what I can tell, with the new schedule starting in September, Kitchener will have the following train service:
Going to Union:
5:20
5:45
6:10 Express (Guelph, Acton, Georgetown, Mount Pleasant, Brampton, Bramalea, Union)
6:50
7:15
7:57
14:57 Express (Guelph, Acton, Georgetown, Mount Pleasant, Brampton, Bramalea, Malton, Union)
20:57
Leaving from Union:
12:53
15:35
16:50 Express (Bramalea, Brampton, Mount Pleasant, Georgetown, Acton, Guelph, Kitchener)
17:27
18:00 Express (Bramalea, Brampton, Mount Pleasant, Georgetown, Acton, Guelph, Kitchener)
18:53
21:53
22:53 to Guelph
RE: GO Transit - Bytor - 08-30-2019
(08-28-2019, 11:30 AM)tomh009 Wrote:(08-27-2019, 10:19 PM)danbrotherston Wrote: That being said, yes, I do hope they don't make all stops...but then that would be complex in terms of both scheduling of trains, and for users of the system.
I've heard rumours of some countries running both "express" and "local" trains on the same line. Maybe that could work?
Doing so requires a combination or larger headways and station siding tracks so that your express doesn't catch up to and get stuck behind the all-stops train. The fewer places where the stopped trains move onto a siding at the station, the more you have to rely on large enough headways.
However, the point is mostly moot for beyond (from Toronto) the Georgetown Station because of it only being singled tracked. That's why the new (half) express train at 6:10 is still all-stops until Bramalea Station. managing both all-stps+express and both directions on a single track would be very complicated and fraught with problems on any delay.
RE: GO Transit - timio - 08-30-2019
The 6:10 isn't new, just rescheduled from 6:05 (was 6:04 until January), still arriving at 7:56.
RE: GO Transit - tomh009 - 08-30-2019
(08-30-2019, 09:52 AM)Bytor Wrote:(08-28-2019, 11:30 AM)tomh009 Wrote: I've heard rumours of some countries running both "express" and "local" trains on the same line. Maybe that could work?
Doing so requires a combination or larger headways and station siding tracks so that your express doesn't catch up to and get stuck behind the all-stops train. The fewer places where the stopped trains move onto a siding at the station, the more you have to rely on large enough headways.
In general, yes. But for GO (to Kitchener) to shortest headway is 25 minutes (and usually much more), so the express train still wouldn't catch up to the local one.