ION - Waterloo Region's Light Rail Transit

[KevinL]

Personally, I don't see this LRT running anytime soon, and my guess is sometime between late spring 2019 and early winter 2020.

That's extremely pessimistic. Any later than early spring seems completely unreasonable, given where we are.

[Pheidippides]

Perhaps I am being too cynical; I guess we will see tomorrow!
 
I still think getting twice as many LRVs equipped with the specialized equipment in a quarter of the time seems unlikely.
 
I don’t think the simulated service test is going to be that easy to pass. Much like the burn-in test it isn’t just a box to check that the test was done; there are standards to be achieve and if the standard isn’t met the test has to be repeated from the start until it is. So if there is any kind of vehicle impairment the 600km burn-in has to be repeated until the test is passed without any impairments.
 
The  Demonstrated System Operation (simulated service) test is the same. They need to operate the system with an availability of 92.00% (DSSPF = (Actual Train in Service Points/Scheduled Train in Service Points)) over a five-day period or they need to keep doing the simulated service test until that is achieved. The point violations are extremely specific (e.g. leaving 15 seconds early to 1 minute late gets earns a full point, depart more than 30 seconds earlier and you lose the whole point – interestingly though you can leave up to 4.5 mintues to the number of minutes of the currently scheduled headway and still earn 0.7 of the point, you have to leave more than the current headway’s time to lose the entire point). Same on the arrival side of the ledger. Arrive more than 1.5 minutes early earns no points, but arriving 1 minute early to up to 3 minutes late earns you the full point.
 
So they could do 5 days of testing and only get 91.99% and have to do another 5 days of testing.
 
“This demonstration shall be called the "Demonstrated System Operation – Stage 1 LRT System" and shall involve day-to-day operation of the System in accordance with the Region-approved System Operations Plan. During the DSO, the System shall be operated continuously (without interruption), as though in passenger service (without passengers), in strict accordance with all operations and maintenance policies and procedures, until the System Service Availability specified in the Schedule 15-3 Article 3 Section 3.6 has been achieved over a consecutive 5-day operating period.”

[tomh009]

So they could do 5 days of testing and only get 91.99% and have to do another 5 days of testing.
 
“This demonstration shall be called the "Demonstrated System Operation – Stage 1 LRT System" and shall involve day-to-day operation of the System in accordance with the Region-approved System Operations Plan. During the DSO, the System shall be operated continuously (without interruption), as though in passenger service (without passengers), in strict accordance with all operations and maintenance policies and procedures, until the System Service Availability specified in the Schedule 15-3 Article 3 Section 3.6 has been achieved over a consecutive 5-day operating period.”

Actually, not quite. Based on the quote, they can continue the testing. If the availability was poor on day 1 or day 2, for example, they could continue to day 6 or day 7, and achieve five continuous days of operation that meet the SSA standard.

[Pheidippides]

Right, thanks for catching that.

[Canard]

Personally, I don't see this LRT running anytime soon, and my guess is sometime between late spring 2019 and early winter 2020.

That's extremely pessimistic. Any later than early spring seems completely unreasonable, given where we are.

It’s their opinion. They’re allowed to have one!

[jeffster]

That's extremely pessimistic. Any later than early spring seems completely unreasonable, given where we are.

It’s their opinion. They’re allowed to have one!

And that's all it is. I would love to see this up and running before Christmas, but being that not all the train are here, and likely more testing for the trains that are yet to come, I have serious doubts that it will start in December.

BTW: Regarding the issue that they had in Toronto with corrosion, does anyone know if we avoided those issues?

[KevinL]

Of course! I'm also allowed my opinion of their opinion.

[KevinL]

I believe our platform ticket machines are capable of dispensing something like these. Good to see it being tested!


Metrolinx testing disposable, ‘limited-use’ Presto tickets on TTC this month
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/me...ar-BBPnSFq

[plam]

I believe our platform ticket machines are capable of dispensing something like these. Good to see it being tested!


Metrolinx testing disposable, ‘limited-use’ Presto tickets on TTC this month
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/me...ar-BBPnSFq

Pretty much all transit systems I've seen have single-use tickets. Montreal has single-use tickets as well as tickets that are good for like a weekend (slightly burlier) and the long-term OPUS card.

[Canard]

I had always assumed our system would issue a paper ticket based on the fact that all the Ticket Vending Machines (TVM’s) have a little pop-machine flap at the bottom, just like every other city (except Toronto).

[bgb_ca]

The question will be though, will they use a NFC paper card, a 3d Barcode like the transfers, or a combination of both?

[Canard]

When does the meeting start? When will “we know” the results from the news today? Looks like maybe 10h30-12h30?

[Spokes]

I hope there's some live tweeting

[KevinL]

The question will be though, will they use a NFC paper card, a 3d Barcode like the transfers, or a combination of both?

It'll definitely be ink-only barcode for a single fare. I'm interested in the paper NFC for multi-fare products.

[boatracer]

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I hope there's some live tweeting
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Looks like this 570 News reporter is at the meeting

https://twitter.com/that_phidoan