03-09-2022, 01:51 PM
(03-09-2022, 12:02 AM)jeffster Wrote:(03-08-2022, 09:18 AM)danbrotherston Wrote: I mean, what you are suggesting is statistically improbable, but not impossible.
This isn't a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation, this is a 99.99% safe, and 0.001% damned if you do, and 20% safe and 80% damned if you don't scenario. And my numbers aren't exaggerating here, they are approximately the right order of magnitude here.
It was never 80% damned if you don't. Literally millions of people got Covid before there was a vaccine and the majority were not sympathetic.
As for the vaccine itself, as we know if we follow medical news, it doesn't stop infection, nor does it stop spread.
As for Moderna -- it's not used for those 29 and under dues to high risk, especially in males. My son was one, and almost died from it. That is hardly 99.99% safe. They pulled AZ from usage due to risks.
Hopefully once your kids qualify, and IF, because I don't believe vaccine will every be approved for that age group, nothing happened to them. Healthy young children and healthy young adults should not be vaccinated either, IMHO. I have seen the results first hand. I wouldn't feel that way, even if my kid had gotten sick from it, if the vaccine stop the spread. It does not. Zilch.
As for everyone else, again, knowing what we know now, with the evolving science, people should make their own determination. I would not get it again because of the tinnitus. Not worth it. It's like going to a loud concert and you get the ringing for the next day or two. This time, it doesn't stop ever, and I feel like I am going out of my fucking mind. I probably would have been a moderate risk because I have asthma, but I played it safe by social distancing and masking, which likely is more effective than the vaccine itself.
But, Dan -- unless your kid is deathly ill, and has serious health issues, I would skip the vaccine if it became available. 90% of people are more than capable of fighting Covid without longterm health effects. That 90%, though, are at risk of the vaccine. It doesn't matter if it's a really small number, and it's more than .001, but even if it were, that would be 600 people in the region who potentially ruined their lives. Like mine. I have no idea what the future of my son is. He's 19 and should be having the best years of his life, not sick and freaking day.
EVERY FREAKING DAY -- I bolded that so you could see it.
And for transparency purposes -- he had no choice for the vaccine -- he was mandated to get it from his employer, or be fired. Same with me.
Lucky my daughter saw no difference. My mom did, she can't use her right arm like she used to (but it's only been 2 months, the booster). She wanted Pfizer for her 3rd shot, but it was reserved for those under 30. But whatever the case, her arm has been dead for 2 months. Hopefully it gets better. (It's called Moderna arm). I did get the same, but it only lasted 2 weeks.
Look, there are a lot of non-facts here. I understand that people have vaccine side-effects and they can be a real issue; I'm sorry that anyone has to experience them. Long COVID is also a real issue and way more prevalent than vaccine side-effects, if you look at the numbers (1.7% of total population in the UK, and that's with not everyone having been infected).
I could point out the non-facts individually but that doesn't seem like a good use of my time. I'm going to reiterate, though, that even with Omicron, the booster does slow transmission. It doesn't stop it, but it slows it, and that helps society a lot. It is just not true that the vaccine does nothing to prevent transmission, and I wish people wouldn't state that non-fact.