Taxation and the middle class

[ac3r]

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You don't seem to have comprehended what they wrote. They didn't say more or less, they said differently. You're betraying an emotional response.

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And what is fair? Is it what you specifically decide, and not what the people who elect the government want? Sounds authoritarian.

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If the people want more services or to maintain services that have become more expensive, the way to government "earns more" is by raising taxes. You can have your opinion on what is correct and worthwhile, but you don't seem to understand how the government is already funded. Not to mention the long term financial ramifications of cutting services or selling off assets.

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I certainly agree that a frightening number of progressives view pulling everyone down to the lowest common denominator in the name of equality as "progress", which seems to be the mentality you're describing. But to use that to discard their motivation entirely leads you to a path equally as dogmatic and inflexible that the results will be no better. We live in a system where wealth begets wealth and political power. It's an unfair system that needs to be balanced with "unfair" taxation, or something similar, lest it spiral out of control.

I understood. They want my money. It doesn't matter if you make your money hourly or you sit on your arse in the sun day trading. It's still yours and ethically nobody should be entitled to any of that, although obviously as a modern civilization we do need taxes because we've forced ourselves into a situation where we need them.

Fair is taxing each citizen more or less equally with the exception of those who already live in poverty or exist on the precipice of it. Otherwise, we should all roughly pay an equal share. If the government can't figure out how to fairly tax 40,769,890 people (yeah I know they don't all pay tax, that's not the point though) in a way that provides enough money to fund what 40,769,890 people need then we have a bigger issue to deal with.

The government can "earn more" by not wasting what it is already given. Whether it's at the municipal, provincial or federal level we can spend less on bullshit like foreign aid, the military, diversity/equity/inclusion programs, useless infrastructure, debt that we shouldn't even have...blah blah. There's no reason we need to be spending close to 30 billion dollars each year on military defence, for example. In regards to DEI, I don't believe there is any real reason why us people who are legitimate minorities (I am Status Indian) should be entitled to a crutch...yeah YT colonized and tried to genocide us, but we've been our own people for thousands of years. We can make it on our own. Those are just random examples. We can also reform our economic system in a way to allow for people to have greater freedom to earn and - most importantly - keep their own money.

The issue really isn't wealth per se that's the issue. We make money out of thin air, after all. That's kinda why we're so fucked now. It's more that our governments don't know what the hell they're doing and yet somehow tens of millions of you out there defend their behaviour. There's a reason I'm politically an anarchist: I don't trust the government to do anything correctly and I sure as heck don't trust the average brain dead civilian to either.

It seems you would say that taxation is a burden. If so, having everyone pay the same amount in tax is an unfair burden on those who make less, because a larger portion of their available income is taken for that purpose.

Society is not equal; one way to try to remedy that is progressive taxation. Many people, whether laymen like myself, or economists or sociologists or philosophers, would call that a good thing.

Nah...I'm not against taxes. I'm against them being poorly spent. Obviously I don't think people who make 25'000 a year or less should be heavily taxed, because then you're just robbing them. But you can't simply take more from others to make up for shortfalls of how governments spend things unless maybe we're talking about billionaires with extreme wealth. But even then, things in Canada are a mess not because we're not taxing Changpeng Zhao or Arthur Irving - but because those we elect utter fools to govern us (which for me is an insane sentence to even type lmao).