07-06-2024, 07:41 PM
(07-06-2024, 07:23 PM)dtkvictim Wrote:(07-06-2024, 03:39 AM)danbrotherston Wrote: For the Duke St. transitions, there is no plan...they cycleway is supposed to continue on Duke St. but it won't, hence the transition is broken, by politics.
I thought there was plans to at least paint transition lines and sharrows the the Regional section. Surely turning boxes would be worth painting in the meantime.
I think that part of the plan was (rightfully) cancelled. So I think there's basically no plan at this point (like I said, between Duke and Ontario, the Downtown Grid is dead at this point). I'm sure this is something that will just languish for a long time. Ironic given the absolute terror that engineers treat doing something not by the book. They could probably get sued here if there was a collision resulting from their unwillingness to actually solve this challenge.
(07-06-2024, 07:23 PM)dtkvictim Wrote:(07-06-2024, 03:39 AM)danbrotherston Wrote: As for Victoria St. the transition there makes sense to me, in the diagram you have, as you proceed left to right, you come up the bike lane on the bottom side of the image, you cross Victoria on the bottom side, and then cross Duke to get to the bike lane.
The biggest problem here is that we have no idea how the signals will work for this. If there were dedicated bike signals, it would work great. If not, then oh well.
In the diagram as it's oriented, the up down crossing over Duke shows both directions which wouldn't make sense in regards to just crossing Victoria St. But I'm realizing the Transit Hub work includes a MUT here, so it does make sense. I was thinking more towards how they handled the transition at Margaret and Wellington, and I guess both options have pros and cons.
I'm assuming a two phase crossing without a dedicated bicycle phase. The Region takes a year to figure out how to turn them on, no chance they can (or more realistically are willing) to do a dedicated bicycle phase.
Yeah, fair enough that doesn't make sense in the context they are showing, I kinda hope (and in Kitchener, it's not impossible) that they were forward thinking and expected a MUT along Victoria. I know Margaret and Wellington was a hard-won battle lol.
As for a dedicated bicycle phase, you're probably right lol, but sure would be nice.
(07-06-2024, 07:23 PM)dtkvictim Wrote:(07-06-2024, 03:39 AM)danbrotherston Wrote: As for the 40km zone signs on Duke, look where the arrows are placing them, in both cases they are in the receiving lanes for vehicles turning ONTO Duke St. so they come from Victoria which is not a 40km/h zone, onto Duke St. which is a 40km/h zone
Yes, but there needs to be an ENDs sign on the bottom of the diagram, before crossing Victoria. Otherwise Victoria would be included in this "AREA". There should never be back to back AREA signs for the same speed according to how they've been implemented everywhere else in the region. I have no problem with Duke being 40; I have a problem with it being 40 for 10 meters to the left of Victoria St in the diagram. The amount of speed limit changes (especially the AREAs which I'm pretty opposed to the design language of) has reached the point where I think people are tuning them out. While the overall speed of these roads may have dropped because the 5% of people like me who try and comply are slowing down, the overall compliance rates of speed limits has also dropped which is a different kind of dangerous.
I mean, I'm not sure, my sense would be that you don't need a sign on Duke, you need a sign on Victoria indicating the new limit. But I haven't exactly read the TAC manuals on this.