04-03-2026, 11:14 AM
(04-02-2026, 01:38 PM)Vojnik_Vahaj Wrote:(03-28-2026, 05:56 PM)tomh009 Wrote: Enabling women to have children and still have careers tends to help somewhat, but it's a relatively small impact compared to the overall demographic changes in many advanced countries. Immigration tends to bring in more young people, and immigrants tend to have more children (on average) so it helps with the demographics. As long as you manage it ...
Ah, the immigration question. I’ll begin by stating something clearly: in most cases, I believe all people groups have a right to their own nation-state.
But this leads to a deeper problem with how some ideologies view people. Individuals are not interchangeable economic units that can be moved around without consequence. Nations did not emerge by accident, they formed among groups of people who shared language, culture, history, and often religion. These shared bonds created not just societies, but communities with continuity; ones that exist to preserve themselves and provide a better future for their own descendants.
To reduce people to purely economic roles is to ignore this reality.
Take a simple example: Rajesh, who works in a car factory in India, and Günther, who works in a car factory in Germany. An internationalist Marxist might argue that if they swapped places, nothing meaningful has changed, production continues, labour is still being performed, and the system functions as before.
But that claim falls apart the moment you look beyond economics.
Rajesh is no longer contributing to the development of his own society, just as Günther is no longer contributing to his. Their labour, skills, and long-term impact are now directed toward entirely different nations; nations with different cultures, histories, and futures. What may look identical in economic terms is fundamentally different in human terms.
Work is not just about output, it is about who benefits from that output.
When people are treated as interchangeable, what is lost is not efficiency, but identity, cohesion, and continuity. Nations weaken when the connection between a people and their future is broken, and no amount of economic abstraction can replace that.
In the end, the idea that people can simply be swapped without consequence only makes sense if you believe that culture, nationhood, and identity do not matter. But if they do, and history strongly suggests they do, then people are far more than units of labour.
This of course mostly applies to Europe and the Old World, but it does still hold some water in North America as well. I'm not entirely against immigration, but it has to be slow, controlled, and very strict
"have children and still have careers" That is another thing. The more stay at home mothers, the more employed men(generally, very simplified). That means more children who are getting full time nurturing from their mother(fathers obviously should contribute and help as much as possible), and more men who can earn enough to provide for his family. The whole "women in the work force and be boss bitches" thing contributed to the birthrate decline. Of course, if a woman wants to have a job, she should be free to do so, but she shouldn't WANT to, because the corporate world sucks ass.
Well said, birds of the same feather flock together - it is difficult for some to accept this for some odd reason

