We paid $37B above market?

[MidTowner]

The day Patrick Brown, or anyone else for that matter, comes up with some concrete details of how they'll get hydro costs down, without incurring major debt or launching the Province into law-suit land, he'll be worth a look.

Exactly.

I hear comments from businesses a lot, too. Just last week, a business operator was commenting that hydro prices will be one determinant of where he chooses to locate an expansion. He was able to list prices per kWh in several U.S. states.

But I question how electricity costs in Ontario could be brought down. The costs associated with nuclear cannot be changed now; renewables at their current miniscule share of the mix contribute far less to the costs than a lot of people suggest; and salaries are probably a small part of the problem, too.

I’m not a partisan, but the Liberal move to close our coal plants was a good one that will have significant benefits. Bringing it back (I don’t think anyone is proposing this but, hey, it is cheap) isn’t advisable, and probably wouldn’t be a huge savings, anyway. There are no realistic ways of seriously holding costs and, while there aren’t, it’s at best a distraction to talk about our high hydro prices.