Funding roads (taxes, user fees etc)

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If you make no income you cant afford a car to drive around and didn't buy gas for the car and didn't pay to register it, and aren't contributing to health care either which we don't give to everyone and isn't free. 

This whole thread is beyond stupid, it's like no one has ever lived out in the sticks and realized that roads are a needed part of life, of course I guess we can not tar and chip roads out to farms, who needs them.

I prefer my 30 minute drive to waterloo than my 2 hour trip on the bus..

Now it's you on the defensive.  And frankly, lots of people who don't have an income have cars.  That's simply not true.

And I have lived out in the sticks, and it's sad that there are no other options for people to get around, and I advocate fixing that.

And as I've said a number of times, your 2 hour bus trip vs. 30 minute drive has far less to due with transit vs. cars, but instead 60 years of investment and policies favoring one, vs. the other.

But you are right, this conversation is getting stupid, because you are continually being defensive when it is pointed out that driving is so much better because it has been favored, and that it is heavily subsidized.

Not being defensive, just tired of listening to a few people who seem to think everyone is or can live within 15 minutes of their place of work and don't have other obligations that just make using transit very inconvinient to use, even if it was running optimally due to locations of schools, parents whatever. You can look in my car and see one driver, but what you don't see is the 2 hr drive alternative, you don't see me dropping off my partner or swinging by daycare earlier, or me being on standby because I have to pick up a family member who is having issues at school, medical or from other students.

Somehow I don't have an income so I can't pay for netflix but I can pay for gas for a car, and longerterm, licensing and car payments?

I live in Cambridge, I take one bus to the main line and I take that all the way up and than take a small trip off from there. It's pretty much the most direct route, its just the nature of transit. My alternatives are to spend more money to buy a more expensive home closer to work and hope I don't get fired/get a new job that is somewhere else or buy a condo giving up living space and bedrooms among other features I enjoy, or rent some place, have less control over the possibility of bed bugs, and have to set aside additional money for retirment and hope I don't lose it and it keeps pace with inflation since I would be paying rent until the end of my life.

As for the sticks, I'm not sure what you are expecting to see, a bus driving around randomly on streets (that magically would need to be built anyways but now won't have gas taxes supporting it since everyone takes the bus) collecting them all to take them to the centre of town where other buses will take people out in different directions to starford, woodstock, kitchenr, waterloo, baden, st jacobs every hour

I think this is my first, maybe second post about driving, you seem to be trying to build me up as a knuckledragger while ignoring that even if Gas tax etc covers 60% of road costs and we made all the cars dissapear tomorrow we would still need something like 80-90% of the roads that exist.