One Victoria | 63 m | 19 fl | Complete

[Rainrider22]

My point seems to have been missed if you think I was attempting to assassinate the use of ICF.  It was simply to state the obvious. It is just plain ugly what they have done in Waterloo. Have a look at Mississauga's City Centre or an example of intensification.  oh and if you want to use sayings, "you cant make a silk purse out of a sows ear"

Now I'm even more confused as to what your point was.

I will make it simple. One Victoria good. Northdale and King Street Waterloo bad