09-17-2021, 02:31 PM
(09-17-2021, 01:12 PM)jeffster Wrote:(09-17-2021, 12:30 PM)ijmorlan Wrote: I’m just going to put this here:
https://freethoughtblogs.com/pharyngula/...-children/
Not sure if I agree or not, as same can applied to: smokers, illicit drug users, heavy drinkers/alcoholics, dangerous/drunk/speeding drivers, those who have shitty diets, etc. All of those end up having people in ICU. All take up way too many beds. And all 100% preventable.
While I agree that every adult should be vaccinated UNLESS they have medical reasons not to, I don’t think it would be right to prevent those from being medically treated.
There is one difference between anti-vaxxers, good or bad, vs those in the other high risk groups that I mentioned: there is risk to the vaccine, and we know that. The risk is 100x smaller than the risk of the virus itself. However, for those clogging up hospitals in the other high risk groups, there is ZERO risk for those that don’t decide to smoke, use drugs, get drunk, drive like an asshat, or eat artery clogging foods.
We’re supposed to have universal healthcare. If we did decide to eliminated health care for those that reject the vaccine, we’d have to also reject those coming into the hospital for drug overdoses, bypass surgeries, high speed traffic accidents (the one that caused it, not the victims), cancer care (due to lifestyle), etc.
Why? Because those people are murdering children too. More importantly, some are murdering their children directly by there actions (what you feed your kids, if you smoke around them, if you drive them around while drunk, etc).
A few years ago I worked with this guy, who was about 18 or 19 at the time. He started to get really skinny, and ended up in the hospital. Turned out he had lung cancer. Really bad. He never smoked a day in his life. However, both his parents were chain smokers. And healthcare provider and x-rays determined that the lungs were that of someone that smoked heavy for 20 years (about his age).
So while I don’t actually disagree with everything they said, we’d want to make sure we’d not be hypocrites about it in the end.
Nothing is 100%, but it is absolutely clear right now that anti-vaxxers are causing our healthcare system to fail. Alberta is a clear example, the US even clearer.
And no, we absolutely CAN choose to blame the overwhelming and immediate problem of anti-vaxxers RIGHT NOW without also talking about smokers. There is no reason for me, ijmorlan, or society at large to agree with your particular logical gotcha.