09-17-2021, 08:08 PM
(09-17-2021, 06:50 PM)JoeKW Wrote: I mostly agree but it's more complicated than that. A scenario to ponder is:
ICU's are filled with mostly covid patients who refused to get vaccinated
As a result, surgeries are cancelled because there is no room in the ICU's for them
As a result, tumors continue to grow and some people will no longer be eligible for surgery and will die.
This is also unconscionable, and wouldn't even be solved by deprioritizing antivaxers in triage situations.
However, they are not. Current ICU in all of Canada is 721, 194 of that is in Ontario.
https://canadiancriticalcare.org/COVID-19-Case-Counts
According to this old data set (2015), Canada had roughly 3,200 ICU beds:
https://ccforum.biomedcentral.com/track/...0852-6.pdf
That said, I do agree that under no circumstance should important surgeries be cancelled. And we need to remember that any influx of patients into an ICU unit isn't just due to vaccination status, but also social rules in place. A government and business can mitigate many issues by keeping certain restriction in place, and by adding some, such as vaccine passports.
To put into a different perspective: imagine a scenario where everyone is vaccinated, but no one is social distancing, no one is masking, and everyone is hanging around, for long periods of time, inside a building. Some get sick, some end up in the ICU. Do we have the same feelings towards them as we might someone who's refused a vaccine?
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/c...-1.4670229
This is where we're headed. And it will be our reality.
So ask yourself the question -- is this a road we want to go down, not treating certain covid patients? Because, if vaccinated people are being put into an ICU, most likely they contributed to their situation.