09-17-2021, 10:46 PM
(09-17-2021, 09:57 PM)danbrotherston Wrote: But as far as I'm aware, it never resulted in triage in our hospitals, nor has obesity, nor smoking, nor any other "moral failing" real or imagined. A good comparable example was the one I laid out earlier would be a mass casualty event that overwhelms local hospitals, caused by a wilful and knowing perpetrator, say, a mass shooting, if that shooter is shot by police, and needs an ICU bed, should they get one instead of one of their victims?
But Dan, this is where you are wrong, as I posted in my previous comment (above this). Triage take into consideration a persons current health state -- that is, if two people come into a hospital, one is a heavy smoker and is obese, when doesn't smoke and has a healthy body weight, and they both have a similar health issue, triage addresses the least healthy one first. In my dads case, it is what killed him. Had he been a overweight smoker, he'd would not have left the hospital that day. But rather, the doctors, looking as his weight and lifestyle, sent him home -- to die -- literally, because 'triage' suggests he could live longer without help than the other patients. That is our reality. And people die at home, all the time, awaiting surgery. Their crime? Having a healthier lifestyle.
As for your example, which I underlined, shows a complete ignorance on how our health system works. Those that spend 10's of thousands to go to school, and spend years learning medical arts, have 1 job, and it's to treat the most critical first. If that's the shooter, it's the shooter. The doctors don't make that judgement call. It goes against their sworn oath. You, me, nor the police can make that call on who survives and who doesn't. So it's a horrible example to bring up, and shows a total lack of understanding on how our medical system works.
In the case of my dad, he's dead because of our triage system. Most likely, in an open market like the US, he'd be still alive today.
I am not faulting our system. It works pretty good most of the time, but it doesn't always work right. It doesn't work with so-called 'justice' in mind.
But, you are 100% wrong when saying that smokers, obese people, alcoholics, etc., don't cause enough chaos in our healthcare system that other 'innocent' people die.
Maybe I triggered you because you are a smoker. Maybe you have a poor diet. I don't know. And that makes you uncomfortable with the idea that perhaps you or someone you love may not be prioritized due to their lifestyle choice (such as smoker, vaping, drug use, alcohol use, etc).
As for anti-vaxxers themselves, I still want to see some evidence that they are clogging the system. I keep asking, and no one has shown proof. Yes, we hear about right-wing whacko conspiracy theorist radio talk show hosts getting sick and dying, which we see the far left wing nuts laughing and giggling about when they choke, but other than that, crickets.
And to that, the shame on our governments for allowing anti-vax propaganda to fester on social media and for allowing kids to go unvaccinated for many illnesses because, for the most part, that had basically been eliminated (though measles, right?). Perhaps fining these people every time they protest isn't a bad idea.
And thank God that someone like you isn't in charge of making medical decisions for the province, for the country. Because your thinking just isn't right. I think about people that might be like my daughter, who I basically force, bribed and scared her into getting a shot. And legally, I could do that. Thousands of others, like her, hiding away wherever they are. Homeless people. Marginalized people. Immigrants. If you had it your way, none would get help if they got sick.
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