09-18-2021, 12:08 AM
(09-17-2021, 10:35 PM)danbrotherston Wrote:(09-17-2021, 10:08 PM)jeffster Wrote: Yeah, that is what I am saying. Perhaps do some research as it appears you can't. Do some critical reading. Stop using emotion for your viewpoints. Because you are going down one dangerous slippery slop, you really are.
And to be clear, you're OK with rejecting health services for people that rejected the vaccine.
Remember, it's just not 'anti-vaxxers' that harm innocent people. And as I said, likely not many in the ICU are anti-vaxxers. I would love to be proved otherwise, other than xx% were unvaccinated (because, anti-vax and unvaccinated are NOT the same thing).
And speaking from personal experience, my dad had a pre-mature death, just 61 years old. He started having chest pain, went to St. Mary's and had the battery of tests, and they found that a lot of his arteries were clogged. However, as a non-smoker, as a person that didn't drink a lot, and as a person who had a healthy BMI, his surgery was put off by about 6 weeks. He died a week after his tests, of a heart attack. Why did this happen? Because smokers, heavy drinkers, and fat asses will have their health taken care of first, when in a similar circumstance. By and large, my dad was innocent, and unhealthy literally caused his death.
As I said, a slippery slop.
I keep getting the feeling that people here really do no research in what's happening.
I'll keep posting legitimate links, everyone else can post blogs and opinion pieces.
To be clear, I haven't advocated ANY position in this statement, I have merely claimed that you classifying these two groups as the same is "bold", to which I meant, really quite ridiculous in my mind.
You can accuse me of "not doing my research" all you want, I have been very explicit in my statements, your dad's situation is not analogous, while you have my condolences for your father, you have not explained why his surgery was "put off by 6 weeks"...what caused it to be put off? Certainly if they scheduled it for 6 weeks, this was not a triage situation as we are facing now. You can correct me if I'm wrong, but I am assuming that the surgery was scheduled as soon as possible, but within a timeframe that the doctors felt was acceptable. In this case they were proven wrong, and I am sorry about that, but there is no guarantee that he would have been seen sooner if cigarettes didn't exist. Long term wait times are a function of funding, if cigarettes didn't exist, it's entirely likely that funding would be lower and the wait times would be the same, the short term triage situation Alberta is facing right now is different from that. But again, it's your anecdote, so if that's not the situation, then correct me.
I missed this post:
Regarding my dad, he had 94% blockage in the worse artery. Normally, you wouldn't leave the hospital with arteries that are that block. This diagnose March 29, he died April 5, his surgery was scheduled May 10. Our family doctor was surprised that it was put off, especially after seeing his health report and also the autopsy. The reason why it was put off was that there were several other people who had tests that week, and while none of them had the blockage my dad had, they all were had one or more co-morbid. Smoking, overweight, sedentary lifestyle. My dad, didn't smoke, had good weight, and walk 5 or 10 miles a day (up to the point of is test), so they figured that 95% blockage for him was less serous than a 400 pound smoker with less blockage. And plenty of others that had less blockage, but more noticeable co-morbid's.
According to our doctor, though, he should have had emergency when they saw the blockage. Anything above 70% is considered severe. Obviously with people perhaps coming out of their houses again after winter, certain health conditions pop up, like a sore chest after being stuck inside all winter.
And to be completely honest, I think the family should have sued the hospital. Everything I've read regarding his blockage shows that he should haven't come home after the stress test.
I had a school friend that was in a car accident, years ago. The driver was more seriously injured, so more time was spent on him. My friend BP crashed, and he went into cardiac arrest en route. The drive, while he looked horrible, didn't sustain internal injuries. My friend, first couple BP checked out a-okay.
Plenty of stories where the victim (literally) dies.