Population and Housing

[bravado]

Everyone knows that when you buy a house, you also sign a permanent contract with the city for your immediate area to never change (until you personally cash out and leave)

[dtkvictim]

Just put grandma in the 2 square meter closet so she's out of sight and out of mind.

[Kodra24]

Liberal boomer Karens always gonna complain

[creative]

This is an awesome concept. I’ve listened to the founder on several podcasts. A great way to free up existing housing for others.

The concept could also be replicated to help solve other housing issues.

https://myjoyliving.com/

There are over 8 million Boomers in Canada. The waiting list for affordable housing is 5-10 years, and monthly rates are $5,000-$6,000 at Local Retirement Homes and Independent Living Facilities. The JOY Concept® is developed with the mission to provide for your Golden Years in several ways:

[tomh009]

Here's an idea...what if we stop electing the same boomers to office year after year?

Most of the restrictive zoning rules predate the boomer generation.

[tomh009]

Kitchener residents riled up over size of backyard build

“There’s another [window] on the other side that is raised high enough that it looks over the six-foot fence on that side, right into the backyard of that neighbor,” Weber said. “I can’t imagine that would be an appealing situation.”


You can see in the photos that the other houses are full two-storey, with windows--that look right into the neighbours' back yards. But apparently it's OK for the real people to look, but not "those people" who would live in the backyard dwelling.

[Kodra24]

"Canadians Are Leaving In Record Numbers, Most Are Prime-Aged Workers"

https://betterdwelling.com/canadians-are...d-workers/

[Acitta]

"Canadians Are Leaving In Record Numbers, Most Are Prime-Aged Workers"

https://betterdwelling.com/canadians-are...d-workers/

It must be nice to be so rich that you can afford to leave the country, lose your OAS and your health card and still manage to afford to pay rent and have health care.

[Kodra24]

https://www.muskokaregion.com/news/canad...56727.html

First time since Confederation Canada had a net population loss in a calendar year, approx 100,000 people for 2025

I wonder if this will become a trend with falling birth rates and lower immigration targets

[plam]

"Canadians Are Leaving In Record Numbers, Most Are Prime-Aged Workers"

https://betterdwelling.com/canadians-are...d-workers/

It must be nice to be so rich that you can afford to leave the country, lose your OAS and your health card and still manage to afford to pay rent and have health care.

This article didn't say where people were leaving for (the US?). It reported both working-age people leaving as well as seniors. Working-age people aren't on OAS. 

In NZ people are leaving for Australia.

[danbrotherston]

It must be nice to be so rich that you can afford to leave the country, lose your OAS and your health card and still manage to afford to pay rent and have health care.

This article didn't say where people were leaving for (the US?). It reported both working-age people leaving as well as seniors. Working-age people aren't on OAS. 

In NZ people are leaving for Australia.

I don’t think this* article supports the “people are leaving”. It’s mostly driven by a decrease in temporary stay visas which sounds more like a result of the change to school visas. So more accurately as  “fewer people are coming and staying”. Which is exactly what people wanted.

“ This preliminary estimate said a reduction in the number of non-permanent residents was the "leading factor in slowing population growth."

* https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-...-9.7133643

[plam]

This article didn't say where people were leaving for (the US?). It reported both working-age people leaving as well as seniors. Working-age people aren't on OAS. 

In NZ people are leaving for Australia.

I don’t think this* article supports the “people are leaving”. It’s mostly driven by a decrease in temporary stay visas which sounds more like a result of the change to school visas. So more accurately as  “fewer people are coming and staying”. Which is exactly what people wanted.

“ This preliminary estimate said a reduction in the number of non-permanent residents was the "leading factor in slowing population growth."

* https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-...-9.7133643

Yes. I certainly believe that there are fewer international students. Are citizens and PRs also leaving Canada? I don't really know; we have one questionable source saying so.

[danbrotherston]

I don’t think this* article supports the “people are leaving”. It’s mostly driven by a decrease in temporary stay visas which sounds more like a result of the change to school visas. So more accurately as  “fewer people are coming and staying”. Which is exactly what people wanted.

“ This preliminary estimate said a reduction in the number of non-permanent residents was the "leading factor in slowing population growth."

* https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-...-9.7133643

Yes. I certainly believe that there are fewer international students. Are citizens and PRs also leaving Canada? I don't really know; we have one questionable source saying so.

I mean, Statscan doesn't mention it. I'm inclined to trust their data on it.

Given the statscan report I think this is just a temporary result of the unstable immigration policy (first more then fewer immigrants). I don't think it represents a change in the long term trends.

That said, I kinda think the story will be bigger than the facts, and the story is possibly equally or more important than the facts of the matter, but I'm curious as to what the result will be...more immigration, more (whites focused) natalism, economic doomerism who knows.

[bravado]

When will we see the decline in population, and therefore housing starts, start to hit city finances when development charge money slows to a trickle?

[nms]

When will we see the decline in population, and therefore housing starts, start to hit city finances when development charge money slows to a trickle?

On the plus side, if the (local) population doesn't grow, then we don't need to spend an awful lot of money (price TBD) to bring more water to the Region from Lake Erie.

On the negative side, finding a way to wean municipalities off of a development charges will be tough.  A simple, but unpalatable, solution would be for the province and the federal government to offer long-term commitment to fund the various programs that were shut-down or downloaded over the past several decades while leaving the municipalities to pay for the capital infrastructure, programs or services that the the municipal tax system wasn't initially designed to fund.

The Provinicial Tories are doing a good job of weaning municipalities off of development charges by doing everything they can to eliminate or defer development charges for developers under the hope of "it will lower new housing costs." Whether prices actually fall will be another question.

Internationally, the UN Population Division has adjusted their global future population projection downward by 6% in 2100, from what was predicted a decade ago.  The peak will likely be about 10.3 billion as compared to the current global estimate of 8.3 billion people alive in  2026.  By the UN Population Division's estimate, the global population has an 80% chance of peaking sometime between the mid-2060s and the year 2100.