The COVID-19 pandemic

[ac3r]

It's got nothing to do with getting COVID-19 at a liquor store, and everything to do with using liquor store access to convince people to get vaccinated.

Might as well just start using tozinameran blow darts on people in that case. What next? People will need to be vaccinated to pump their gas, pick up insulin or buy groceries? At best this would get a handful of people to bite the bullet and get vaccinated, but not that many. All it would really do is add fuel to the fire of anti-vaxxers and even normal people. Eventually you hit a point where what you're doing makes no sense...

The majority of the country is already vaccinated anyway. It doesn't stop transmission. It is now not keeping the vaccinated out of the ICU, either. In fact, there are more fully vaccinated Ontarians in the ICU right now than there are unvaccinated. Similarly, there are more fully vaccinated people currently hospitalized than there are unvaccinated. So.............? Do we just keep rolling up our sleeves? Will there soon be a loyalty card, perhaps? Get 9 shots of Pfizer, get your 10th free and a blueberry muffin. Maybe throw in some Aeroplan miles each time to keep people even more incentivized.

[jeffster]

'This is not the time to be weak:' Liberals call for mandatory proof of vaccination at LCBO and cannabis stores: https://www.cp24.com/news/this-is-not-th...-1.5753618

LOL. How many people have got Covid-19 and died just going to the liquor store? What a joke these restrictions have become. This is the sort of nonsense you get when you let politicians attempt to dictate the best public health practices.

It's got nothing to do with getting COVID-19 at a liquor store, and everything to do with using liquor store access to convince people to get vaccinated.

I think the point was that those who are able to go out and buying pot or liquor aren't going to end up dead (what usually happens when you go into the ICU) anytime soon, vaccinated or not. The die hards that aren't going to vaccinate aren't unlikely to get vaccinated even with this mandate. Otherwise, you're targeting indigenous who have zero trust with government and you're targeting the homeless who also have zero trust with authorities -- though that really only applies to LCBO and The Beer Store.

The other demo-graph that aren't well vaccinated are 20-29 year olds -- mostly university students and recent grads, and they'll find ways to get their booze and drugs.

Deluca is trying to get political points, but that potato face isn't gaining anything by saying that. It's his party that ruined out healthcare system anyway.

[politics] You know why Trudeau and Ford win? Because of the competition. [/politics]

[jeffster]

Current 7-day Covid-19 Cases per 100k

• Chatham-Kent Public Health 429.8
• Lambton Public Health 398.6
• Windsor-Essex County Health Unit 380.2
• City of Hamilton Public Health Services 372.2
• Thunder Bay District Health Unit 370.1
• Public Health Sudbury & Districts 366.3
• Northwestern Health Unit 362.7
• Peel Public Health 360.9
• Eastern Ontario Health Unit 341.6
• Halton Region Public Health 335.7
• Brant County Health Unit 327.3

• Region of Waterloo Public Health and Emergency Services 322.1

• Algoma Public Health 312.8
• Haldimand-Norfolk Health Unit 305.0
• Niagara Region Public Health 296.9
• Middlesex-London Health Unit 290.0
• Simcoe Muskoka District Health Unit 267.9
• Haliburton, Kawartha, Pine Ridge District Health Unit 260.4
• Southwestern Public Health 256.7
• Durham Region Health Department 253.4
• Porcupine Health Unit 252.9
• York Region Public Health 248.7
• Toronto Public Health 230.3
• Wellington-Dufferin-Guelph Public Health 226.0
• Ottawa Public Health 216.5
• Huron Perth Public Health 206.8
• North Bay Parry Sound District Health Unit 201.2
• Leeds, Grenville & Lanark District Health Unit 198.6
• Renfrew County and District Health Unit 196.1
• Peterborough Public Health 193.9
• Hastings Prince Edward Public Health 176.3
• Kingston, Frontenac and Lennox & Addington Public Health 166.9
• Timiskaming Health Unit 159.1
• Grey Bruce Health Unit 146.6

• TOTAL ONTARIO 277.1

[ac3r]

I think the point was that those who are able to go out and buying pot or liquor aren't going to end up dead (what usually happens when you go into the ICU) anytime soon, vaccinated or not. The die hards that aren't going to vaccinate aren't unlikely to get vaccinated even with this mandate. Otherwise, you're targeting indigenous who have zero trust with government and you're targeting the homeless who also have zero trust with authorities -- though that really only applies to LCBO and The Beer Store.

The other demo-graph that aren't well vaccinated are 20-29 year olds -- mostly university students and recent grads, and they'll find ways to get their booze and drugs.

Deluca is trying to get political points, but that potato face isn't gaining anything by saying that. It's his party that ruined out healthcare system anyway.

[politics] You know why Trudeau and Ford win? Because of the competition. [/politics]

While this was just a Liberal suggestion and will likely not happen, it's still a bit odd. At the start, we deemed the LCBO to be an essential service, particularly because alcoholics could begin to suffer withdrawals from alcohol which could have further complicated the health system. So then, assuming we made vaccination mandatory to buy alcohol, unvaccinated alcoholics will get the shaft.

But yeah, this is just Deluca trying to seem like he's doing something meaningful. But it's a ridiculous suggestion not only scientifically, but politically. It's like all the other parties want the Tories to win another 4 years.

[danbrotherston]

I think the point was that those who are able to go out and buying pot or liquor aren't going to end up dead (what usually happens when you go into the ICU) anytime soon, vaccinated or not. The die hards that aren't going to vaccinate aren't unlikely to get vaccinated even with this mandate. Otherwise, you're targeting indigenous who have zero trust with government and you're targeting the homeless who also have zero trust with authorities -- though that really only applies to LCBO and The Beer Store.

The other demo-graph that aren't well vaccinated are 20-29 year olds -- mostly university students and recent grads, and they'll find ways to get their booze and drugs.

Deluca is trying to get political points, but that potato face isn't gaining anything by saying that. It's his party that ruined out healthcare system anyway.

[politics] You know why Trudeau and Ford win? Because of the competition. [/politics]

While this was just a Liberal suggestion and will likely not happen, it's still a bit odd. At the start, we deemed the LCBO to be an essential service, particularly because alcoholics could begin to suffer withdrawals from alcohol which could have further complicated the health system. So then, assuming we made vaccination mandatory to buy alcohol, unvaccinated alcoholics will get the shaft.

But yeah, this is just Deluca trying to seem like he's doing something meaningful. But it's a ridiculous suggestion not only scientifically, but politically. It's like all the other parties want the Tories to win another 4 years.

While this is a good point, there are however, other difference between now and then, specifically, I can go into an app on my phone and push a few buttons and later booze shows up on my doorstep.

That being said, alcoholics who need to go to LCBO have an easy solution. Before we were talking about closing a store entirely, now it's only closed to brainwashed people.

[jeffster]

Current 7-day Covid-19 cases per 100k

• Chatham-Kent Public Health 447.7
• Public Health Sudbury & Districts 382.9
• Northwestern Health Unit 378.7
• Lambton Public Health 374.9
• Thunder Bay District Health Unit 372.8
• Eastern Ontario Health Unit 356.0
• Peel Public Health 351.6
• City of Hamilton Public Health Services 345.7
• Windsor-Essex County Health Unit 344.6
• Algoma Public Health 338.2
• Niagara Region Public Health 312.6
• Halton Region Public Health 308.2

• Region of Waterloo Public Health and Emergency Services 305.1

• Haldimand-Norfolk Health Unit 297.2
• Haliburton, Kawartha, Pine Ridge District Health Unit 287.9
• Middlesex-London Health Unit 285.9
• Brant County Health Unit 282.9
• Simcoe Muskoka District Health Unit 271.9
• Durham Region Health Department 261.1
• Porcupine Health Unit 260.1
• York Region Public Health 244.6
• Southwestern Public Health 238.3
• Leeds, Grenville & Lanark District Health Unit 229.8
• Toronto Public Health 228.5
• Ottawa Public Health 224.0
• Wellington-Dufferin-Guelph Public Health 223.1
• Renfrew County and District Health Unit 213.6
• Huron Perth Public Health 210.4
• Hastings Prince Edward Public Health 208.3
• North Bay Parry Sound District Health Unit 201.2
• Peterborough Public Health 197.3
• Kingston, Frontenac and Lennox & Addington Public Health 194.2
• Timiskaming Health Unit 189.7
• Grey Bruce Health Unit 154.2

• TOTAL ONTARIO 274.5

[ac3r]

Scientists keep an eye on "stealth" Omicron variant BA.2: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-omicr...-interest/

Despite this, Denmark is set to end all restrictions and classify Covid-19 as a disease that no longer poses a threat to society as their health care system is coping. While our health care sucks in comparison, I hope we can soon follow suit. I'm pretty much willing to move back to Europe at this point because we're never going to end this charade.

[plam]

I mean, people have pointed out that there are essentially no restrictions in the US. But as I've said to someone, it's not when we say it's over, it's when the virus says it's over, and it doesn't really care about us saying it's over if it's not done with us yet. It's just about whether we're going to take it on its terms or on our terms.

[jeffster]

Current 7-day Covid-19 cases per 100k

• Chatham-Kent Public Health 426.1
• Northwestern Health Unit 407.2
• Thunder Bay District Health Unit 378.1
• Public Health Sudbury & Districts 366.3
• Lambton Public Health 342.1
• Peel Public Health 341.4
• Windsor-Essex County Health Unit 339.0
• Eastern Ontario Health Unit 337.8
• Algoma Public Health 326.0
• City of Hamilton Public Health Services 320.9
• Haliburton, Kawartha, Pine Ridge District Health Unit 303.8
• Niagara Region Public Health 290.4

• Region of Waterloo Public Health and Emergency Services 282.7

• Haldimand-Norfolk Health Unit 282.3
• Halton Region Public Health 279.9
• Middlesex-London Health Unit 272.7
• Brant County Health Unit 260.3
• Southwestern Public Health 247.3
• Simcoe Muskoka District Health Unit 247.3
• Durham Region Health Department 245.6
• Porcupine Health Unit 242.1
• Renfrew County and District Health Unit 236.6
• Ottawa Public Health 235.1
• Leeds, Grenville & Lanark District Health Unit 219.4
• York Region Public Health 218.1
• Toronto Public Health 217.0
• Wellington-Dufferin-Guelph Public Health 212.9
• North Bay Parry Sound District Health Unit 202.7
• Huron Perth Public Health 199.6
• Kingston, Frontenac and Lennox & Addington Public Health 187.1
• Hastings Prince Edward Public Health 185.2
• Peterborough Public Health 183.1
• Timiskaming Health Unit 153.0
• Grey Bruce Health Unit 150.1

• TOTAL ONTARIO 261.7

[jeffster]

• Northwestern Health Unit 450.5
• Chatham-Kent Public Health 416.7
• Thunder Bay District Health Unit 385.4
• Public Health Sudbury & Districts 342.7
• Windsor-Essex County Health Unit 342.3
• Lambton Public Health 334.4
• Peel Public Health 324.8
• Eastern Ontario Health Unit 318.1
• Algoma Public Health 316.3
• Haliburton, Kawartha, Pine Ridge District Health Unit 311.2
• City of Hamilton Public Health Services 295.5
• Niagara Region Public Health 274.1
• Middlesex-London Health Unit 270.9
• Haldimand-Norfolk Health Unit 268.2
• Halton Region Public Health 262.2

• Region of Waterloo Public Health and Emergency Services 259.3

• Southwestern Public Health 241.6
• Porcupine Health Unit 238.5
• Simcoe Muskoka District Health Unit 238.0
• Renfrew County and District Health Unit 232.9
• Brant County Health Unit 230.7
• Ottawa Public Health 229.1
• Durham Region Health Department 226.1
• Hastings Prince Edward Public Health 206.5
• Wellington-Dufferin-Guelph Public Health 205.2
• Leeds, Grenville & Lanark District Health Unit 205.0
• Toronto Public Health 203.4
• Huron Perth Public Health 201.8
• York Region Public Health 201.0
• North Bay Parry Sound District Health Unit 198.1
• Timiskaming Health Unit 171.3
• Kingston, Frontenac and Lennox & Addington Public Health 170.6
• Peterborough Public Health 169.6
• Grey Bruce Health Unit 150.7

• TOTAL ONTARIO 249.4

[plam]

Wastewater results for Region of Waterloo (https://www.regionofwaterloo.ca/en/healt...lance.aspx) are way down. Moving average is decreasing a bit, but will lag of course.

[jeffster]

Current 7-day Covid-19 cases per 100k

• Northwestern Health Unit 469.9
• Thunder Bay District Health Unit 403.4
• Chatham-Kent Public Health 397.9
• Public Health Sudbury & Districts 338.7
• Algoma Public Health 334.7
• Windsor-Essex County Health Unit 317.5
• Peel Public Health 315.0
• Lambton Public Health 314.6
• Haliburton, Kawartha, Pine Ridge District Health Unit 298.5
• Eastern Ontario Health Unit 281.7
• Haldimand-Norfolk Health Unit 280.5
• Middlesex-London Health Unit 274.3
• Porcupine Health Unit 273.2
• City of Hamilton Public Health Services 272.1
• Niagara Region Public Health 267.3

• Region of Waterloo Public Health and Emergency Services 245.6

• Southwestern Public Health 239.7
• Halton Region Public Health 237.0
• Simcoe Muskoka District Health Unit 235.2
• Renfrew County and District Health Unit 216.3
• Brant County Health Unit 213.9
• Ottawa Public Health 211.9
• Durham Region Health Department 211.5
• Leeds, Grenville & Lanark District Health Unit 203.8
• Hastings Prince Edward Public Health 201.2
• Huron Perth Public Health 196.8
• North Bay Parry Sound District Health Unit 196.5
• Toronto Public Health 192.3
• Wellington-Dufferin-Guelph Public Health 192.0
• York Region Public Health 188.1
• Kingston, Frontenac and Lennox & Addington Public Health 172.1
• Timiskaming Health Unit 168.3
• Peterborough Public Health 167.6
• Grey Bruce Health Unit 147.2

• TOTAL ONTARIO 238.5

[jeffster]

Current 7-day Covid-19 cases per 100k

• Chatham-Kent Public Health 401.6
• Northwestern Health Unit 394.6
• Thunder Bay District Health Unit 382.1
• Windsor-Essex County Health Unit 317.3
• Algoma Public Health 302.4
• Public Health Sudbury & Districts 298.5
• Peel Public Health 294.7
• Haliburton, Kawartha, Pine Ridge District Health Unit 287.4
• Lambton Public Health 284.8
• Porcupine Health Unit 282.8
• Eastern Ontario Health Unit 281.3
• Haldimand-Norfolk Health Unit 265.6
• Middlesex-London Health Unit 265.2
• Niagara Region Public Health 264.6
• City of Hamilton Public Health Services 248.6
• Southwestern Public Health 234.0

• Region of Waterloo Public Health and Emergency Services 232.7

• Simcoe Muskoka District Health Unit 228.5
• Halton Region Public Health 222.3
• Brant County Health Unit 219.1
• Renfrew County and District Health Unit 218.2
• Leeds, Grenville & Lanark District Health Unit 205.6
• Ottawa Public Health 204.0
• Hastings Prince Edward Public Health 203.0
• Durham Region Health Department 195.0
• Toronto Public Health 182.7
• Huron Perth Public Health 179.6
• Wellington-Dufferin-Guelph Public Health 179.2
• North Bay Parry Sound District Health Unit 177.3
• Timiskaming Health Unit 171.3
• York Region Public Health 169.1
• Kingston, Frontenac and Lennox & Addington Public Health 160.3
• Peterborough Public Health 159.5
• Grey Bruce Health Unit 144.8

• TOTAL ONTARIO 225.9

[jeffster]

Current 7-day Covid-19 cases per 100k

• Chatham-Kent Public Health 384.7
• Northwestern Health Unit 376.4
• Thunder Bay District Health Unit 362.1
• Algoma Public Health 321.6
• Public Health Sudbury & Districts 308.0
• Windsor-Essex County Health Unit 298.5
• Peel Public Health 278.5
• Eastern Ontario Health Unit 266.4
• Middlesex-London Health Unit 258.3
• Haldimand-Norfolk Health Unit 256.0
• Porcupine Health Unit 255.3
• Niagara Region Public Health 253.1
• Lambton Public Health 250.5
• Haliburton, Kawartha, Pine Ridge District Health Unit 246.1
• City of Hamilton Public Health Services 235.2

• Region of Waterloo Public Health and Emergency Services 222.1

• Simcoe Muskoka District Health Unit 219.7
• Southwestern Public Health 213.7
• Halton Region Public Health 212.9
• Brant County Health Unit 201.7
• Renfrew County and District Health Unit 200.7
• Hastings Prince Edward Public Health 199.4
• Leeds, Grenville & Lanark District Health Unit 196.3
• Ottawa Public Health 191.0
• Durham Region Health Department 186.8
• Huron Perth Public Health 181.7
• North Bay Parry Sound District Health Unit 179.6
• Wellington-Dufferin-Guelph Public Health 175.1
• Toronto Public Health 173.6
• York Region Public Health 152.1
• Kingston, Frontenac and Lennox & Addington Public Health 150.4
• Peterborough Public Health 150.0
• Timiskaming Health Unit 149.9
• Grey Bruce Health Unit 140.1

• TOTAL ONTARIO 214.2

[ac3r]

Majority of Canadians (54%) now say it's time to end Covid restrictions and leave responsibility for isolation to those at risk. This is up from 40% in early January: https://twitter.com/angusreid/status/148...2192695297