05-12-2022, 11:58 AM
(05-12-2022, 09:13 AM)Chris Wrote:(05-11-2022, 09:05 PM)dtkvictim Wrote: In what sense? There are no markings nor traffic signals yet, so there isn't much to say. Everything seems to be looking as the construction diagrams posted above.
At least the curbs on Joseph go out just about all of the way to the intersection here, unlike a number of other intersections (looking at you Water & Charles...)
I guess it's too early to say. I was wondering if it was properly signed and signalled like the intersections along Water.
I get the curb frustration. I'd have to guess they "had" do to that for buses and emergency vehicles? Nothing makes me feel safe like going straight when you are starting in the blind spot of a motorist going left when biking up Water.
I should clarify on the confusion comment. I use the Water - Weber lanes daily and I get how they work. I've seen other people that look to be serious commuters doing the same and riding the MUT after Victoria. The confusing part is the lack of signage and an indication of where to go if you aren't a veteran at cycle commuting. I think casual cyclists or new commuters will find if confusing on where to go when the lane just ends at the locksmiths driveway or the safest way to get to this starting point if coming from the other direction. The curb cuts at Weber and Victoria are currently not designed in a way that would have someone think "Oh, just keep going and ride on the sidewalk under the rail bridge". I don't think the white lines under the overpass are bike lanes? If they are they are, all they do is direct you into two giant mud puddles or ice patches depending on the season.
Making the connection to Spur line clear to all road users, motorists, pedestrians and cyclists would be super nice for everyone. Get some of that fancy green stuff and mark the intersections at Victoria, Wellington, Louisa and Wilhelm so people know bikes and scooters can ride contra flow in this section.
I don't think they do, but they do anyway. The curb cuts are all way too permissive, but it's part of the expectation that large vehicles should be able to turn without using only half the driveway, which is just stupid. In fact, in general, newly reconstructed driveways are almost always built more permissive than they were before...we are STILL going backwards on this issue.
But I think we've come a little ways anyway.
As for the Weber MUT, I totally agree the signage is terrible, I just...well, I see that as a failing of the MUT not of the Downtown Grid.
And you're right, the white line isn't a "bike lane" it's an edge line. Because the wall is a vertical obstruction, there must be a 0.5 meter affordance between the edge of the lane and the wall. (Same applies to say hydro poles). Of course, why our engineers chose to make TWO affordances (the white line is 0.5 meter from the curb, which is then 0.5 meters from the wall...is anyone's guess. Remember, "overbuild for cars, at the expense of everything else"...the regional engineers mantra.