06-23-2023, 02:54 AM
Re the photos of Margaret, here's what the Netherlands does:
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Hoevel...?entry=ttu
https://www.google.com/maps/@52.1628372,...?entry=ttu
In both cases it really doesn't matter much, this road is traffic calmed and drivers are redirected OFF this road before the crossing. I think the one in Waterloo will have much more challenges, but it needs more space to solve right, but at a minimum it should probably have been forward of the crosswalk.
That being said, it's not a busy road, and cyclists know to watch for distracted drivers, so I don't think there will be any actual issues, but it is surprising because engineers usually refuse to do anything that could possible make them liable. Of course, drivers will continue to complain about cyclists, because it doesn't matter what cyclists do.
Also, yeah the button on that pole has pissed me off for a long time. It shows just how little everyone thinks about the experience of cyclists. Virtually every traffic signal in the Netherlands has a separate pole for the button for crossing, like, literally there are probably a dozen poles for every crossing segment, one for the ped signal, one for the ped button, one for the bike signal, one for the bike button, and then reflected on the reverse side. And this is for every single leg of an intersection. So much care and attention is put into these things....
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Hoevel...?entry=ttu
https://www.google.com/maps/@52.1628372,...?entry=ttu
In both cases it really doesn't matter much, this road is traffic calmed and drivers are redirected OFF this road before the crossing. I think the one in Waterloo will have much more challenges, but it needs more space to solve right, but at a minimum it should probably have been forward of the crosswalk.
That being said, it's not a busy road, and cyclists know to watch for distracted drivers, so I don't think there will be any actual issues, but it is surprising because engineers usually refuse to do anything that could possible make them liable. Of course, drivers will continue to complain about cyclists, because it doesn't matter what cyclists do.
Also, yeah the button on that pole has pissed me off for a long time. It shows just how little everyone thinks about the experience of cyclists. Virtually every traffic signal in the Netherlands has a separate pole for the button for crossing, like, literally there are probably a dozen poles for every crossing segment, one for the ped signal, one for the ped button, one for the bike signal, one for the bike button, and then reflected on the reverse side. And this is for every single leg of an intersection. So much care and attention is put into these things....