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Region of Waterloo International Airport - YKF
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Region of Waterloo International Airport - YKF
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10-01-2016, 09:01 AM
I got the impression that Peterborough was a necessity because of aircraft range, or something like that. The route was like O-O-O-O and it would hop between the two intermediate destinations. I'm just guessing, though. Maybe they figured "hey, we're flying right by it, why not add a stop there?"
10-01-2016, 11:55 AM
Not a range limitation: the Beechcraft King Air aircraft they were to wet-lease from PropAir have a range of over 2000 km.
10-04-2016, 08:07 PM
10-04-2016, 08:55 PM
The problem is that people aren't flying to Ottawa and Montreal in the numbers they used to, in any airline. I think the destinations that are likelier to succeed are: San Francisco/San Jose, twice daily flight on a small plane (range would be an issue here), New York, Vancouver (connecting to points East, i.e. Japan, Korea, Beijing, Manila and Hong Kong) and Dublin (connecting to RyanAir).
10-04-2016, 09:47 PM
(10-04-2016, 08:55 PM)BuildingScout Wrote: The problem is that people aren't flying to Ottawa and Montreal in the numbers they used to, in any airline. I think the destinations that are likelier to succeed are: San Francisco/San Jose, twice daily flight on a small plane (range would be an issue here), New York, Vancouver (connecting to points East, i.e. Japan, Korea, Beijing, Manila and Hong Kong) and Dublin (connecting to RyanAir). To do connections, though, you need a "real" airline that can sell multi-segment itineraries and interline luggage. Otherwise you need to buy a ticket to Vancouver, then a separate one from Vancouver on, and check luggage in twice. And if YKF-YVR is delayed, you are on your own at YVR, rather than the airline rebooking you on the next flight. For this model, with international connections, really need AC or someone similar. Not the same model as YXU (London), it makes no sense to connect to YYZ. But connect to YUL, YHZ, YVR, and on from there. Maybe it could work. Maybe. It didn't work with AA, but they only had a connection to ORD, and only a few times a day. Not enough to establish critical mass.
10-04-2016, 10:18 PM
i agree. You need an airline that signs feeder agreements with some larger airline company. I've flown with independently owned central European airlines that had feeding agreements with Lufthansa, without the smaller airlines having anything to do with Star Alliance.
10-05-2016, 09:37 PM
Doesn't west jet do this? or do they not make these connections from their hub in Calgary?
10-05-2016, 11:17 PM
(10-05-2016, 09:37 PM)darts Wrote: Doesn't west jet do this? or do they not make these connections from their hub in Calgary? Yes, they have a sort of half-membership in the One World Alliance with ensuing code share agreements. Additionally they have deals with Delta, KLM, China Airlines and Emiratess, among others.
10-06-2016, 08:24 AM
Calgary is also the wrong way for a lot of flights (Europe) and not that big of an International hub.
I think that's where AA and Chicago really hurts. I'd love to get a NYC connection, but I just don't see it happening anytime soon since the economics are probably similar to AA and Chicago. 
10-06-2016, 09:58 AM
(10-05-2016, 09:37 PM)darts Wrote: Doesn't west jet do this? or do they not make these connections from their hub in Calgary? Currently their flight is too late in the day to make any meaningful connection. Anytime I've looked into going to using West Jet from Kitchener to San Francisco, LA, Vegas, Phoenix, San Diego, etc., you can't do it without spending a night in Calgary. The early morning Chicago flight was great for those types of flights as you got to Chicago around 7:30 a.m. central time and caught your flight west to arrive with plenty of time left in the day.
10-06-2016, 10:35 AM
Last AA YKF-ORD flight left yesterday
So sad to see it end, and worried about YKF's future ...
10-06-2016, 10:47 AM
I'm not too worried about the medium-long term future. There's just a lot of trends that are working in its favour. It just might not happen as fast as some of us would like.
10-06-2016, 12:45 PM
As something of a positive, the airport got a bit of free publicity on tuesday's Mercer Report episode - Rick flew a gyrocopter (gyroplane?) out of YKF twice - once on a loop flight, a second time down to wine country.
(10-04-2016, 09:47 PM)tomh009 Wrote:(10-04-2016, 08:55 PM)BuildingScout Wrote: The problem is that people aren't flying to Ottawa and Montreal in the numbers they used to, in any airline. I think the destinations that are likelier to succeed are: San Francisco/San Jose, twice daily flight on a small plane (range would be an issue here), New York, Vancouver (connecting to points East, i.e. Japan, Korea, Beijing, Manila and Hong Kong) and Dublin (connecting to RyanAir). What didn't work for AA? The flights were consistently overbooked! There is definatly a demand for the service, and subsequent connections. I flew from YKF to Venice Italy via ORD and it was a great experience... even though I flew the "wrong way". I was told yesterday that the fact YKF doesn't have US pre-clearance, there was the additional cost of going to Terminal 5 and that's why they pulled out. (This would explain that despite the "Canadian Dollar" excuse used, they kept the flights in YYZ) Coke |
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