General Urban Waterloo Updates and Rumours

[Rainrider22]

Maybe with proper messaging, even these can be good reminders. I don't like seeing guns or military items on display because it feels like glorifying combat.

I do follow politics enough to know that in Parliament with the speaker, there is a mace, meant to show order and rule-following, but indeed it is a mace, a weapon. If things like this LAV are shown in ways that suggest "we are glad to retire this and its children from use", that's one thing. It's a bit harder when it looks like it could rightly just drive off into a battle any second.

I do agree.  But Armed Forces gifting these for monuments is still a whole lot better than gifting them to local police departments.  (And that is routinely done in, ahem, some other countries.)

Seriously ? Please provide one example in Canada where a police service has been provided an archaic machine decommissioned by the military....  If it isn't good enough for the military now, it certainly isn't adequate for police work...

[jwilliamson]

Weren't the LAVs decommissioned because they didn't hold up to IEDs? I would agree with the notion that they aren't needed, or are overkill, but I don't see how you could argue they aren't adequate.

[Elmira Guy]

@ Rainrider22

I remember seeing this some time ago, and while I suspect there are very few examples of this being done, here are two.

It's regarding the AVGP Grizzly and Cougar which as you may know were Canada's first foray into all-wheeled armoured vehicles (built in London).

Current operators
Canada (Royal Canadian Mounted Police) – as the Tav 2 variant (Cougars modified for ERT tasks), these were given for free by the Canadian Army to the RCMP in British Columbia in March 2010. The Edmonton Police Service received one Grizzly in 2007. Formerly operated by the Canadian Army.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVGP#Grizzly

[tomh009]

I think the Armed Forces have donated maybe half a dozen vehicles, and Canadian police departments (outside of the RCMP) have bought another handful themselves. Some, not a lot, but personally I still think too many.

It's a considerably bigger transfer south of the border. For example, LAPD was donated 600 (!) M-16 assault rifles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militarization_of_police

[Rainrider22]

I think the Armed Forces have donated maybe half a dozen vehicles, and Canadian police departments (outside of the RCMP) have bought another handful themselves.  Some, not a lot, but personally I still think too many.

It's a considerably bigger transfer south of the border.  For example, LAPD was donated 600 (!) M-16 assault rifles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militarization_of_police

Ok fine.  I did ask for an example in Ontario though.  The Police Standards Manual for Ontario is very specific for what any agency can use in terms of equipment.  This is why I am confident you wont find an example in Ontario.  Sorry, but I am a bit of an expert in the field...

[clasher]

Here's an article about the Windsor Police 'TRV'. Here's some more details about surplus military equipment that goes to Police Forces. It doesn't appear to be a lot of stuff so far and obviously no guns or anything like that but it certainly seems like it's "good enough" for police work. I have no idea if the Hamilton Police's armoured vehicle is a military surplus model or not, but I'm sure anyone could find some more information if they wanted.

[Rainrider22]

And I do note I said Canada originally, I made an error, I meant Ontario is that is more specific to our area.

[Elmira Guy]

@ jwilliamson

No, the LAV's were not decommissioned. In fact the LAV 6.0 is now entering service.

http://www.gdlscanada.com/products/light...lav-up.php

[tomh009]

Here's an article about the Windsor Police 'TRV'.

Thanks.  While not a supporter of military vehicles for the police, I do like this shot:

[jwilliamson]

Here's a close-up of the plaque.


   

In recognition and memory of the efforts of approximately 40,000 Canadian Armed forces personnel who served and the 162 Canadians who died in the cause of bringing peace and freedom to the people of Afghanistan.

[tomh009]

I'm OK with this plaque. Not worshipping war or glorifying combat, but recognizing the sacrifices made by the soldiers who served Afghanistan.

[Coke6pk]

I think the Armed Forces have donated maybe half a dozen vehicles, and Canadian police departments (outside of the RCMP) have bought another handful themselves.  Some, not a lot, but personally I still think too many.

It's a considerably bigger transfer south of the border.  For example, LAPD was donated 600 (!) M-16 assault rifles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militarization_of_police

Ok fine.  I did ask for an example in Ontario though.  The Police Standards Manual for Ontario is very specific for what any agency can use in terms of equipment.  This is why I am confident you wont find an example in Ontario.  Sorry, but I am a bit of an expert in the field...

Well other than the above example from Windsor (ONTARIO), does the following conform to the Police Standards Manual for Ontario?

   
*Source: Twitter

   

Coke

[Coke6pk]

UPDATE: Got notice from the school board this morning that they will be reconsidering the decision to cancel the Vimy Ridge trip.  

Coke

[jwilliamson]

The house at 22 Bridgeport Rd E was demolished today. The fencing makes it look like they might be taking down the karate gym next door as well.

[Viewfromthe42]

As I recall, the collective of them was to become a new parking lot.