07-07-2019, 03:35 PM
80 km/h would be just fine, thank you very much!
ION - Waterloo Region's Light Rail Transit
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07-07-2019, 03:35 PM
80 km/h would be just fine, thank you very much!
07-07-2019, 09:27 PM
(07-07-2019, 11:19 AM)ac3r Wrote:(07-06-2019, 12:20 PM)jeffster Wrote: So apparently Ottawa is in good shape compared to us: I'm so tired of hearing this. The LRT is like a streetcar only in appearance. Many of the TTC 'streetcars' (Queens Quay, Spadina, St. Clair) are nothing like streetcars either. Running in it's own right of way is fundamentally not a streetcar, and our LRVs do that for the entire length. This means, never getting stuck behind traffic, having reliable timing, etc. etc. Fighting over nomenclature usually isn't valuable, but I feel that characterizing this system in that way meaningfully misleads people about it's nature.
07-07-2019, 10:24 PM
07-07-2019, 10:36 PM
(07-07-2019, 01:40 PM)ijmorlan Wrote:(07-07-2019, 01:32 PM)Bob_McBob Wrote: Was ATP in use during testing? The trains were definitely running faster than 50km/h in some sections. It's not required right now... but once service ramps up to 5 minute frequencies it will be, especially with 5 minute frequency double trains.
07-07-2019, 10:48 PM
It would be nice to have it sorted by September.
07-08-2019, 01:49 AM
Just heard on the scanner about a person getting hit by the LRT. They said the person was lying on the tracks!
(07-08-2019, 01:49 AM)Square Wrote: Just heard on the scanner about a person getting hit by the LRT. They said the person was lying on the tracks! I was listening too. The person ran off after, so apparently not major injuries. Maybe laying between the rails and the LRV passed over them? This was between Erb/Caroline and the Laurier-Waterloo Park station, on the ballasted track. The LRV driver saw them hop the fence onto the Waterloo park central promenade after they'd come to a stop, and then WRPS managed to apprehend them further up the trail. It was the last trip of the night northbound. Apparently no passengers on board.
07-08-2019, 03:43 AM
(07-08-2019, 02:56 AM)taylortbb Wrote:(07-08-2019, 01:49 AM)Square Wrote: Just heard on the scanner about a person getting hit by the LRT. They said the person was lying on the tracks! Lately been hearing alot of people are playing chicken with ION, especially around the House of Friendship. I can see something bad coming up eventually!
07-08-2019, 06:59 AM
ION is obviously nowhere near Ottawa's level of service, because what Ottawa will have is closer to a subway system than normal LRT.
Generally these sorts of comparisons don't seem particularly useful to me. The important questions are whether ION provides a meaningful improvement to transit service in KW, whether it helps redirect growth to central parts of the city, and whether it attracts more people onto transit. The choices that were made for ION's implementation were decisions that made sense in the context of Waterloo Region. Something like what Ottawa has wouldn't be possible here, and if it were proposed, wouldn't have been approved.
07-08-2019, 07:17 AM
CuilTard Wrote:Quote:There was a discussion about this on reddit, and based on the wording on GRT's site, the conclusion was that a monthly pass counts as proof-of-payment, regardless of whether it's been tapped or not** There was a comment that made me laugh out loud on there (I'm quite sure it was tongue-in-cheek): Quote:Please note that just as on the TTC in Toronto, if you are approached by a fare inspector it is your civic duty to delay them as much as possible. Make a big show of checking every pocket to find your wallet, flip through every card in your wallet before finding your GRT pass, engage them in pointless conversation about nothing, etc.
07-08-2019, 07:21 AM
jamincan Wrote:ION is obviously nowhere near Ottawa's level of service, because what Ottawa will have is closer to a subway system than normal LRT. This is the most important bit. I don't see why tunneling here would be technically not possible, but I do know that it would not be achievable politically. We had a significant fight to get LRT; a more expensive system that involved tunnelling in some but not other parts of the line would not have achieved the necessary support. The two cities are in completely different contexts. Many more middle-class and professional Ottawans take transit and have experienced how having buses operate in mixed traffic downtown wastes time and resources. A completely separate right of way is probably much easier to sell to them.
07-08-2019, 07:37 AM
(07-08-2019, 07:21 AM)MidTowner Wrote:jamincan Wrote:ION is obviously nowhere near Ottawa's level of service, because what Ottawa will have is closer to a subway system than normal LRT. The thing is, Ottawa already had a separate ROW for most of the line except the downtown bit. The part that required tunneling was 2.5 km and 3 stations of a total 12.5 km and 13 stations. ION has roughly 6ish km on the central on-street portion of the line with 8 stations out of 19km/16 stations total (ignoring the section to Conestoga Mall as well). Without an absurd amount of tunneling, a system like what they have is simply impossible here.
07-08-2019, 07:49 AM
(07-07-2019, 10:48 PM)KevinL Wrote: It would be nice to have it sorted by September. Sorting out the ATP system will take longer than September. Sorting out the issues that are restricting speeds will take some time but much less time than fixing the ATP system. The two are being handled separately. It's really worth noting that even with the speed restrictions ION meets or exceeds the travel time requirements in the contract.
07-08-2019, 07:57 AM
trainspotter139 Wrote:Quote:Sorting out the ATP system will take longer than September. Sorting out the issues that are restricting speeds will take some time but much less time than fixing the ATP system. The two are being handled separately. It's really worth noting that even with the speed restrictions ION meets or exceeds the travel time requirements in the contract. It does? I thought the travel time requirements consisted of nothing more than the "46 minutes" between the termini, in the baseline service plan. The schedule calls for 45 minutes (northbound), and schedule adherence hasn't seemed great. Are there more specific travel time requirements somewhere in the contract? Or maybe they're making up speed on parts of the line I'm not taking.
07-08-2019, 09:36 AM
(07-08-2019, 07:21 AM)MidTowner Wrote: This is the most important bit. I don't see why tunneling here would be technically not possible, but I do know that it would not be achievable politically. We had a significant fight to get LRT; a more expensive system that involved tunnelling in some but not other parts of the line would not have achieved the necessary support. Tunnelling here would be possible, as it is pretty much anywhere except maybe through the core of an active volcano or something like that. However, it would be ridiculously expensive. Through Uptown, it would have to go under the creek, which means either very tricky tunnelling through muck or going very deep, either of which is expensive. Given the traffic levels and the availability of space on the surface, this simply doesn’t make sense, and as pointed out by others, would have led to non-approval of the project. In Ottawa the traffic levels are enormously higher. Also, the tunnelled section is high ground consisting of rock, and only a small fraction of the route. As a result, the tunnel more or less continues the grade of the non-tunnelled portion so they could just start digging in from the side. Because it is all rock, they were able to mine it; to my knowledge Ottawa didn’t use any tunnel-boring machines. |
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