The COVID-19 pandemic

[taylortbb]

Fauci urging those eligible to get booster shots as there is growing evidence of waning effacy of the vaccines: https://news.yahoo.com/dr-fauci-just-iss...46228.html

It's worth pointing out that Canada isn't yet seeing the same degree of waning efficacy that the US is. Our wider spacing between doses is possibly a factor in why, though it's muddied by Canada also giving mixed Pfizer/Moderna regimens.

I do think boosters will be necessary, as even Canada's wider spacing between doses was still much smaller than most two dose vaccines, and I will get mine when eligible. But for those that are worried about their risk as a fully vaccinated person, I think it's worth keeping in mind that one's individual risk here is not as high as US and Israeli headlines might suggest.

Israel and the US also have far more spread, due to lackluster vaccine uptake. Israel's early status as a leader has been erased, and they are now one of the least vaccinated amongst developed countries.

[jeffster]

Current 7-day Covid-19 cases per 100k

• Algoma Public Health 122.3
• Public Health Sudbury & Districts 122.1
• Southwestern Public Health 76.1
• Haldimand-Norfolk Health Unit 73.6
• Kingston, Frontenac and Lennox & Addington Public Health 69.1
• Windsor-Essex County Health Unit 58.6
• Simcoe Muskoka District Health Unit 57.4
• Brant County Health Unit 44.5
• Huron Perth Public Health 43.6
• Niagara Region Public Health 41.7

• Region of Waterloo Public Health and Emergency Services 29.1

• North Bay Parry Sound District Health Unit 15.4
• Middlesex-London Health Unit 15.4
• City of Hamilton Public Health Services 15.4
• Halton Region Public Health 15.3
• Grey Bruce Health Unit 12.4
• Hastings Prince Edward Public Health 7.7
• Renfrew County and District Health Unit 7.4
• Thunder Bay District Health Unit 4.7
• Northwestern Health Unit 4.6
• Haliburton, Kawartha, Pine Ridge District Health Unit 4.2

• TOTAL ONTARIO 27.0

[jeffster]

Current 7-day Covid-19 cases per 100k

• Algoma Public Health 125.8
• Public Health Sudbury & Districts 106.0
• Haldimand-Norfolk Health Unit 91.2
• Southwestern Public Health 80.4
• Kingston, Frontenac and Lennox & Addington Public Health 69.1
• Windsor-Essex County Health Unit 60.0
• Simcoe Muskoka District Health Unit 56.7
• Timiskaming Health Unit 45.9
• Huron Perth Public Health 45.1
• Niagara Region Public Health 42.5

• Region of Waterloo Public Health and Emergency Services 29.9

• Halton Region Public Health 15.7
• Peterborough Public Health 15.5
• Toronto Public Health 15.4
• City of Hamilton Public Health Services 15.4
• Grey Bruce Health Unit 13.5
• Renfrew County and District Health Unit 7.4
• Hastings Prince Edward Public Health 6.5
• Thunder Bay District Health Unit 4.7
• Northwestern Health Unit 4.6
• Haliburton, Kawartha, Pine Ridge District Health Unit 4.2

• TOTAL ONTARIO 27.3

[jeffster]

Currently 7-day Covid-19 cases per 100k

• Algoma Public Health 131.1
• Public Health Sudbury & Districts 102.0
• Haldimand-Norfolk Health Unit 92.9
• Southwestern Public Health 81.8
• Kingston, Frontenac and Lennox & Addington Public Health 72.4
• Windsor-Essex County Health Unit 63.6
• Simcoe Muskoka District Health Unit 58.5
• Timiskaming Health Unit 48.9
• Huron Perth Public Health 42.9
• Niagara Region Public Health 39.6

• Region of Waterloo Public Health and Emergency Services 31.0

• City of Hamilton Public Health Services 16.7
• Toronto Public Health 15.8
• Peterborough Public Health 15.5
• Halton Region Public Health 14.9
• Grey Bruce Health Unit 14.7
• Hastings Prince Edward Public Health 9.5
• Renfrew County and District Health Unit 8.3
• Haliburton, Kawartha, Pine Ridge District Health Unit 5.8
• Thunder Bay District Health Unit 4.0
• Northwestern Health Unit 3.4

• TOTAL ONTARIO 27.7

[ac3r]

Health Canada expected to approve Pfizer vaccine for kids on Friday: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pfizer-...-1.6253616

[jeffster]

Current 7-day Covid-19 cases per 100k

• Algoma Public Health 140.7
• Public Health Sudbury & Districts 101.0
• Haldimand-Norfolk Health Unit 88.5
• Kingston, Frontenac and Lennox & Addington Public Health 78.0
• Southwestern Public Health 76.6
• Windsor-Essex County Health Unit 69.0
• Timiskaming Health Unit 61.2
• Simcoe Muskoka District Health Unit 61.0
• Brant County Health Unit 45.7
• Niagara Region Public Health 41.7

• Region of Waterloo Public Health and Emergency Services 32.9

• Grey Bruce Health Unit 17.1
• Peel Public Health 16.2
• Toronto Public Health 15.8
• Peterborough Public Health 15.5
• Halton Region Public Health 14.2
• Hastings Prince Edward Public Health 12.5
• Renfrew County and District Health Unit 9.2
• Haliburton, Kawartha, Pine Ridge District Health Unit 7.4
• Thunder Bay District Health Unit 6.0
• Northwestern Health Unit 2.3

• TOTAL ONTARIO 28.1

[jeffster]

Health Canada expected to approve Pfizer vaccine for kids on Friday: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/pfizer-...-1.6253616

Hopefully the pill that Pfizer is working on is approved as well.

[ac3r]

Health Canada approves Pfizer-BioNTech's COVID-19 vaccine for children: https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/he...ar-AAQU7In

[jeffster]

Current 7-day Covid-19 cases per 100k

• Algoma Public Health 137.2
• Public Health Sudbury & Districts 103.5
• Haldimand-Norfolk Health Unit 87.7
• Kingston, Frontenac and Lennox & Addington Public Health 79.9
• Timiskaming Health Unit 79.5
• Southwestern Public Health 77.5
• Windsor-Essex County Health Unit 71.8
• Simcoe Muskoka District Health Unit 63.7
• Chatham-Kent Public Health 50.8
• Niagara Region Public Health 43.0

• Region of Waterloo Public Health and Emergency Services 34.1

• North Bay Parry Sound District Health Unit 17.0
• Peel Public Health 16.9
• Halton Region Public Health 16.8
• Hastings Prince Edward Public Health 16.6
• Peterborough Public Health 14.2
• Renfrew County and District Health Unit 13.8
• Grey Bruce Health Unit 13.5
• Haliburton, Kawartha, Pine Ridge District Health Unit 8.5
• Thunder Bay District Health Unit 6.7
• Northwestern Health Unit 2.3

• TOTAL ONTARIO 29.4

[jeffster]

Health Canada approves Pfizer-BioNTech's COVID-19 vaccine for children: https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/he...ar-AAQU7In

Generally, a vaccination program is justified if its anticipated benefits outweigh its potential risks. Children aged 5-11 years are unlikely to be deemed capable of consenting to vaccination, and decisions related to their vaccination will likely be made by parents or guardians. Given the short- term uncertainties surrounding pediatric vaccination at this time, children and their parents or guardians should be supported and respected in their decisions regarding COVID -19 vaccinations for the child, whatever decisions they make, and should not be stigmatised for accepting, or not accepting, the vaccination offer.

https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/phac-a...rs-age.pdf

Read it how you want. But hopefully no one tries to force their opinion on parents decisions whether they vaccinate or not vaccinated their younglings.

[danbrotherston]

Health Canada approves Pfizer-BioNTech's COVID-19 vaccine for children: https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/he...ar-AAQU7In

Generally, a vaccination program is justified if its anticipated benefits outweigh its potential risks. Children aged 5-11 years are unlikely to be deemed capable of consenting to vaccination, and decisions related to their vaccination will likely be made by parents or guardians. Given the short- term uncertainties surrounding pediatric vaccination at this time, children and their parents or guardians should be supported and respected in their decisions regarding COVID -19 vaccinations for the child, whatever decisions they make, and should not be stigmatised for accepting, or not accepting, the vaccination offer.

https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/phac-a...rs-age.pdf

Read it how you want. But hopefully no one tries to force their opinion on parents decisions whether they vaccinate or not vaccinated their younglings.

Why not?

Why should my child be endangered by other parents unwillingness to accept science?

This is nothing new, children who are not vaccinated for many other dangerous diseases are not allowed in schools.

This is more bullshit pandering to the anti-vaxx crazies.

Am I suggesting that parents should be forced? No. Am I suggesting that there should be consequences for their bad choices. Absofreakinglutely.

[ac3r]

Vaccines are in fact not mandatory to attend school, despite the popular myth: https://www.ontario.ca/page/vaccines-chi...#section-4

[jeffster]

https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/phac-a...rs-age.pdf

Read it how you want. But hopefully no one tries to force their opinion on parents decisions whether they vaccinate or not vaccinated their younglings.

Why not?

Why should my child be endangered by other parents unwillingness to accept science?

This is nothing new, children who are not vaccinated for many other dangerous diseases are not allowed in schools.

This is more bullshit pandering to the anti-vaxx crazies.

Am I suggesting that parents should be forced? No. Am I suggesting that there should be consequences for their bad choices. Absofreakinglutely.

According to you, Dan. But not the government. But I'll re-quote what they said:

Given the short- term uncertainties surrounding pediatric vaccination at this time, children and their parents or guardians should be supported and respected in their decisions regarding COVID -19 vaccinations for the child, whatever decisions they make, and should not be stigmatised for accepting, or not accepting, the vaccination offer.

Do you really believe your vaccinated child is endangered? What is the science to back up that ridiculous claim? If your kid is vaccinated, their risk is pretty much zero...that's the science.

And this is not 'anti-vaxx crazies'. This it the Government of Canada response. They are saying that there is not enough evidence to suggest vaccinating your younglings or not.

Or do you simply not read the link?

[danbrotherston]

Why not?

Why should my child be endangered by other parents unwillingness to accept science?

This is nothing new, children who are not vaccinated for many other dangerous diseases are not allowed in schools.

This is more bullshit pandering to the anti-vaxx crazies.

Am I suggesting that parents should be forced? No. Am I suggesting that there should be consequences for their bad choices. Absofreakinglutely.

According to you, Dan. But not the government. But I'll re-quote what they said:

Given the short- term uncertainties surrounding pediatric vaccination at this time, children and their parents or guardians should be supported and respected in their decisions regarding COVID -19 vaccinations for the child, whatever decisions they make, and should not be stigmatised for accepting, or not accepting, the vaccination offer.

Do you really believe your vaccinated child is endangered? What is the science to back up that ridiculous claim? If your kid is vaccinated, their risk is pretty much zero...that's the science.

And this is not 'anti-vaxx crazies'. This it the Government of Canada response. They are saying that there is not enough evidence to suggest vaccinating your younglings or not.

Or do you simply not read the link?

My child cannot be vaccinated at this point.

But even if they could, you don't know what my child's medical history is, so it's a bit presumptuous to call it "ridiculous". There are many children who have serious illnesses who, even with vaccination, would be at a high risk. That's the science.

And I am aware of who made the statement, as I said, they are pandering to anti-vaxxers, not that they were anti-vaxxers.

They should have made a definitive statement about vaccination. And, while children (both those who are at increased risk, AND those who are at a nominal risk) are harmed by this disease, it is also the case that children are harmed by widespread prevalence of the disease, both directly, and through parents who get sick.

Even if children were 100% safe from this disease (they are not) it wouldn't even be the only vaccination we give children that protects others from diseases children can be spread, but not be harmed by.

[plam]

Look, we want this pandemic to be over, right? Kids are spreading it a lot in Europe. The NACI document says they don't think it's justified to vaccinate solely for population benefits, but I think even based on individual benefits it's worth it, and definitely on a population level.