01-10-2025, 12:17 PM
This is not in defense of Harper or a potential Poilievre government (many of our issues began before Trudeau and will continue after), but consider that many people don't care to hear about how great things are and be lectured with statistics that fly in the face of their own realities.
It's not helpful to compare across two disparate periods of time with different conditions, rather than comparing with contemporaries. Factors like inflation and wealth distribution also need to be considered. People don't care to hear how to economy has grown while their own finances have become worse. GDP growth fueled by population growth is also pretty much meaningless for all except those at the top, and is viewed especially negatively when GDP per capita is falling.
Assuming this is fueled by housing prices, this is not a good thing. I'm not sure how net worth is being calculated here for households, if the median Canadian is a homeowner or not.
I'm not saying this is false, and it's quite commendable, but it's hard to reconcile with exploding homeless populations and food banks being overwhelmed by record usage.
On the topic of questionable statistics, we're also told that unemployment is 6-7%. Yet at someone looking for a job, and as someone with a large number of well educated peers looking for jobs, I can tell you that things feel much, much worse than just 6%. Many people I know are well over a year into their job search, and struggling to find even entry level/unskilled work to hold them over while they continue to search within their fields.
Lastly, I understand a taboo topic in progressive spaces for whatever reason, but people are dealing with the societal effects of recent immigration policy (alongside economic effects). These are more difficult to measure, but I think make up a huge amount of the anti-Liberal sentiment. I've never seen people willing to discuss their feelings on the topic so frankly, especially in person and in public.
(01-07-2025, 10:24 PM)nms Wrote:
- Economic growth under Trudeau was 41%. Under Harper it was 18%.
- During the Trudeau years income growth was 23%. During the Harper decade it was 7.6%.
It's not helpful to compare across two disparate periods of time with different conditions, rather than comparing with contemporaries. Factors like inflation and wealth distribution also need to be considered. People don't care to hear how to economy has grown while their own finances have become worse. GDP growth fueled by population growth is also pretty much meaningless for all except those at the top, and is viewed especially negatively when GDP per capita is falling.
(01-07-2025, 10:24 PM)nms Wrote:
- Median Canadian net worth soared 66% between 2016 and 2023.
Assuming this is fueled by housing prices, this is not a good thing. I'm not sure how net worth is being calculated here for households, if the median Canadian is a homeowner or not.
(01-07-2025, 10:24 PM)nms Wrote:
- Trudeau reduced poverty from 14.5% to 9.0%. Conservatives always want to make it higher to increase stress levels, suppress wages, lower taxes for the wealthy and punish the poor.
I'm not saying this is false, and it's quite commendable, but it's hard to reconcile with exploding homeless populations and food banks being overwhelmed by record usage.
On the topic of questionable statistics, we're also told that unemployment is 6-7%. Yet at someone looking for a job, and as someone with a large number of well educated peers looking for jobs, I can tell you that things feel much, much worse than just 6%. Many people I know are well over a year into their job search, and struggling to find even entry level/unskilled work to hold them over while they continue to search within their fields.
Lastly, I understand a taboo topic in progressive spaces for whatever reason, but people are dealing with the societal effects of recent immigration policy (alongside economic effects). These are more difficult to measure, but I think make up a huge amount of the anti-Liberal sentiment. I've never seen people willing to discuss their feelings on the topic so frankly, especially in person and in public.