Road design, safety and Vision Zero

[Acitta]

Ford banning speed cameras next month, thank you Doug!

I got a ticket in August as I was passing through a school zone doing 42 in a 30 - had no idea a camera was there as I'm rarely in that area - to say I was livid is an understatement, total cash grab

If you had obeyed the law, then you wouldn't have gotten a fucking ticket. Speed limits are posted. You terrorists in your death machines think that you are special and should be exempt from the law. You are not special. You are just anti-social.

[danbrotherston]

Ford banning speed cameras next month, thank you Doug!

I got a ticket in August as I was passing through a school zone doing 42 in a 30 - had no idea a camera was there as I'm rarely in that area - to say I was livid is an understatement, total cash grab

Yes “cash grab” = “i endangered children by driving too fast and paying so little attention to the road I didn’t see the speed limit sign”. 

Cry me a fucking river. 

Next time maybe you try following the rules instead?

[ac3r]

"Terrorists in death machines" is why nobody takes your liberal fascists seriously anymore...lmfao. Good grief.

[MidTowner]

Photo radar is more efficient.

Mayor Vrbanovic asserted yesterday that "people want speed enforcement, but prefer it from a real, live officer." This is a huge cost, and it either means that we do not actually have speed enforcement (the practical situation today), or we have it at great cost and at the expense of other police activities that people also complain do not happen enough.

Not to mention the non-zero risk of every traffic stop to police officers and to the motorists they're stopping. To be honest, I would much rather receive a fine in the mail than to be pulled over by a police officer, wasting potentially half an hour of my time (at a time when I'm presumably in a rush to get somewhere) and his.

Many motorists just seem to want the right to speed, full stop. I wish Premier Ford and Mayor Vrbanovic would just say so, instead of pretending they care about being stewards of fiscal resources, and proposing the costlier speed enforcement option.

[neonjoe]

Maybe it's because I have kids, but I'm always very aware when I'm driving through school zones. It's not hard to slow down. I'm fine with the cameras in school zones. If they were in arbitrary areas where traffic calming should rather be used to slow down traffic I'd be against them. The onus is on the driver to not speed.
Imagine the type of backlash we'd have here if European ISA regulations were implemented. (Especially to the level where the car will not be allowed to bypass the limit)

[KevinL]

 "people want speed enforcement, but prefer it from a real, live officer." 

Yeah, because then they have a human that they can try to talk themselves out of a ticket; often they lean on their historical privilege to gain favouritism. None of that works with mechanical systems, which are more equitable as a result.

[danbrotherston]

Photo radar is more efficient.

Mayor Vrbanovic asserted yesterday that "people want speed enforcement, but prefer it from a real, live officer." This is a huge cost, and it either means that we do not actually have speed enforcement (the practical situation today), or we have it at great cost and at the expense of other police activities that people also complain do not happen enough.

Not to mention the non-zero risk of every traffic stop to police officers and to the motorists they're stopping. To be honest, I would much rather receive a fine in the mail than to be pulled over by a police officer, wasting potentially half an hour of my time (at a time when I'm presumably in a rush to get somewhere) and his.

Many motorists just seem to want the right to speed, full stop. I wish Premier Ford and Mayor Vrbanovic would just say so, instead of pretending they care about being stewards of fiscal resources, and proposing the costlier speed enforcement option.

Very explicitly this is indeed the case of Kodra24 here.

I would actually go a step further here...and say that even people who want speed enforcement, don't believe they should be subject to it. Whether they believe they travel at the perfect speed and everyone who is faster than them (and sometimes slower than them) is a maniac and a dangerous driver, or whether they are just in denial about the speed they travel, this "rules for the but not for me" attitude is as pervasive as it is toxic.

[danbrotherston]

Maybe it's because I have kids, but I'm always very aware when I'm driving through school zones. It's not hard to slow down. I'm fine with the cameras in school zones. If they were in arbitrary areas where traffic calming should rather be used to slow down traffic I'd be against them. The onus is on the driver to not speed.
Imagine the type of backlash we'd have here if European ISA regulations were implemented. (Especially to the level where the car will not be allowed to bypass the limit)

I was aware when I was cycling through school zones before I had kids, but it was because it was an extremely dangerous situation that was the direct result of the dangerous driving of the parents of the children.

That said, I do understand how it can be difficult to slow down, especially when people around you don't. When you have a driver tailgating you, possibly even honking, weaving back and forth, trying to push past you on a busy road, while there is nobody in front, yeah, I can understand how it is difficult.

That said, towards the end of my time in Canada I did start to take a lot of pleasure in pissing off angry aggressive people by following the rules and acting safely, so for me, it became easy. But most people do not enjoy that.

[danbrotherston]

 "people want speed enforcement, but prefer it from a real, live officer." 

Yeah, because then they have a human that they can try to talk themselves out of a ticket; often they lean on their historical privilege to gain favouritism. None of that works with mechanical systems, which are more equitable as a result.

This is an interesting theory. I'm a little bit unsure if it's true. (I'm not even sure I believe the assertion from Berry Vrbanovic). I'd be very curious to know.

But MidTowner's conclusion is 100% correct. Expecting police to do this in person is the worst of both worlds. We do not have speed enforcement. And yet we also have the increased risk of target policing and risk to police officers (at least in Canada, AFAIK police are most likely to be injured or killed by a car crash than anything else in a traffic stop).

[Kodra24]

Ford banning speed cameras next month, thank you Doug!

I got a ticket in August as I was passing through a school zone doing 42 in a 30 - had no idea a camera was there as I'm rarely in that area - to say I was livid is an understatement, total cash grab

Yes “cash grab” = “i endangered children by driving too fast and paying so little attention to the road I didn’t see the speed limit sign”. 

Cry me a fucking river. 

Next time maybe you try following the rules instead?

FYI school is out in August

And dropping F bombs, both you and Acitta, is amusing

[bravado]

Ford banning speed cameras next month, thank you Doug!

I got a ticket in August as I was passing through a school zone doing 42 in a 30 - had no idea a camera was there as I'm rarely in that area - to say I was livid is an understatement, total cash grab

We live in a time where people can openly admit to breaking the law and being anti-social and expect to be viewed as the victim.

Stop putting others at risk - and for a forum that complains about crime so much, also consider following the law in the future. (But I get it: the only crimes that matters are ones done by people outside of your group)

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Not a single one of you entitled babies will be at the next public meeting advocating for physical speed reduction programs in our streets - you just want to offload the costs of your risk-taking onto innocent people and keep the benefits.

[danbrotherston]

Yes “cash grab” = “i endangered children by driving too fast and paying so little attention to the road I didn’t see the speed limit sign”. 

Cry me a fucking river. 

Next time maybe you try following the rules instead?

FYI school is out in August

And dropping F bombs, both you and Acitta, is amusing

Yes, because in august children definitely don’t play on playgrounds or go to summer camps. 

Give your head a shake.

If you have a problem with my language but you think you are the victim when you get a speeding fine outside a school, you are truly what is wrong with our world.

[Kodra24]

FYI school is out in August

And dropping F bombs, both you and Acitta, is amusing

Yes, because in august children definitely don’t play on playgrounds or go to summer camps. 

Give your head a shake.

If you have a problem with my language but you think you are the victim when you get a speeding fine outside a school, you are truly what is wrong with our world.

Wrong again

[tomh009]

FYI school is out in August

So, we should have the right to ignore the laws that we think are not reasonable? Is that what you are saying?

[KevinL]

It doesn't matter if school is in session, or not.

It doesn't matter if the street is near a school, or not.

The law specifies a limit to your speed. When you are issued a driver's license, you are made fully aware of the law. Speed limits are clearly posted on all roads.

Governments are free to set up any reasonable enforcement of applicable laws.

IF YOU SPEED, YOU ARE BREAKING THE LAW. Any solid evidence of said violation can and should be used to extract an appropriate penalty for that lawbreaking.

That the above has to be said AT ALL is extremely frustrating, and a clear indication of the entitlement and privilege that infests our society.