Grand River Transit

[Pheidippides]

It looks like a bus shelter pad has been poured on the south side of William between King and Regina.

What could it be for? The 5? A re-route for the 7?

[Viewfromthe42]

Given the long time for completion of construction of King from Erb to University, they might be using Regina for the 7 now.

[KevinL]

Does it need a permanent pad, though?

[Markster]

The 7 does indeed go through there for the construction detour. The bus stops at Caroline/William, and then at Regina/Willis. I guess they decided to put in a stop in the middle of those?

I've seen pads go in for other long detour stops before.

[bpoland]

Maybe that will be a permanent stop for the 7, otherwise there will be no northbound stop between Allen and Erb due to the tracks. It could take William, Regina, and Willis Way to get back to King?

[Markster]

Maybe that will be a permanent stop for the 7, otherwise there will be no northbound stop between Allen and Erb due to the tracks.  It could take William, Regina, and Willis Way to get back to King?

Which I really really really hope is not the case
The only thing worse than the missing stop would be a ridiculous detour like that to add it back in.

[bpoland]

Either way it's less than ideal. The construction will be done this year though, right? That doesn't seem long enough to warrant a concrete pad if it's temporary.

[urbd]

Maybe that will be a permanent stop for the 7, otherwise there will be no northbound stop between Allen and Erb due to the tracks.  It could take William, Regina, and Willis Way to get back to King?

100% confirmed that it will be a permanent stop of the 7, even after ION starts operating. The 7 will go right on William, then Regina for one block, then back onto King. I know, annoying.

[KevinL]

They're redoing the sidewalk-adjacent space in front of the Charles Terminal this week. Progress is good:

[Markster]

Maybe that will be a permanent stop for the 7, otherwise there will be no northbound stop between Allen and Erb due to the tracks.  It could take William, Regina, and Willis Way to get back to King?

100% confirmed that it will be a permanent stop of the 7, even after ION starts operating. The 7 will go right on William, then Regina for one block, then back onto King. I know, annoying.

That is insane.

[KevinL]

And we got *no public consultation* on this. Definitely some downsides to the Ion process.

[Pheidippides]

The turning radius of Regina to willis and willis to king seem too tight to make that possible. It would seem ridiculous that in order to avoid crossing the tracks to use a bus bay and then pulling out over the tracks agsin as was originally planned they are going to cross the tracks twice. So other than a huge inconveniece to riders what is difference. I imagine without this new stop most people could walk the extra difference between the gap in existing stops in the time it takes to negotiate that detour.

[Markster]

100% confirmed that it will be a permanent stop of the 7, even after ION starts operating. The 7 will go right on William, then Regina for one block, then back onto King. I know, annoying.

Now that I've collected my senses, can you tell us how it is that you know this "100% confirmed"?

[Pheidippides]

Also, we know that work order changes originating from the region are costly, but how do these work order changes if originating from GrandLinq?

Did GrandLinq just say, "nope not possible" and made the change arbitrarily or the region has to approve the change and if approved is compensated?

[tomh009]

The region would need to approve it. Whether there is compensation or not would often be a negotiation and depend on the individual circumstances and the root cause for the change.