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(09-05-2017, 01:32 PM)MidTowner Wrote: I know we're talking about a few different things, so sorry for muddying the waters of the thread further. There's a lot of confusion about the new 7 and 200 routings. I am happy to hear, however, that the 200 will stop at Joseph and Victoria (thanks to dunkalunk and others for bringing the weird stop spacing to GRT's attention). I do wonder why the 200 can't turn left at King and Victoria, but the Joseph stop is much better than the previously identified stop.
Totally agree... the Region should be doing all they can to start building as much ridership as possible from King/Victoria... but oh surprise, NO stops for either the 200 or NB 7 there. Puzzling. The 200 stopping at King/Vic should have been a major priority since the initial detours, but it actually has NEVER stopped there!!!
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There's a 'Buses Excepted' sign hanging for the left turn from eastbound King to northbound Victoria, though I don't think any route makes that turn. The same could be done for the left for the 200- just until Ion runs.
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(09-05-2017, 02:16 PM)MidTowner Wrote: There's a 'Buses Excepted' sign hanging for the left turn from eastbound King to northbound Victoria, though I don't think any route makes that turn. The same could be done for the left for the 200- just until Ion runs.
I thought I saw the opposite, that left turns were banned for King drivers, and banned for all but bus drivers on Victoria. This would make sense, because there is only one lane on King, so any driver trying to turn left holds up all traffic behind them (I've seen instances of a car have to wait for a third light cycle to go through the intersection, because the first two were held up due to left-turning vehicles. On Victoria, there are two through-lanes in each direction, so while it isn't ideal to have a truck/bus stopping half of traffic because they want to turn left onto King, at least they aren't completely stopping traffic.
If I saw correctly.
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You may have seen correctly, and I incorrectly. You're right that the exemption would make more sense on Victoria than on King, but the exception can be made. Six 200s an hour carrying x riders might delay some number of motorists by a minute or two, conceivably, but I think urbd's point about building ridership near King and Victoria is a very good one.
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09-06-2017, 12:15 AM
(This post was last modified: 09-06-2017, 12:20 AM by dunkalunk.)
I though the idea behind keeping iXpress off King was to not delay the route by local routes running the same stretch of King.
My best guess as to why the lack of Northbound stop at King and Victoria is ION contingency work. 7 doesn't need to turn there, so unless it's something else to do with operations, I can't imagine what else it could be...
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The iXpress indeed should not go on King, because it would get caught behind a 7 as it caught up to it. This does not preclude using King to have a stop at Victoria, only to turn left to take Park, other than due to the restrictions on turns at that intersection.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hi Mark, we're still waiting for final signoff to use the stop, as deficiencies are being addressed.</p>— Grand River Transit (@GRT_ROW) <a href="https://twitter.com/GRT_ROW/status/905464469832306689">September 6, 2017</a></blockquote>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We're going to post some stop closed notices, as there's some confusion - even without bus stop signs, people are waiting there.</p>— Grand River Transit (@GRT_ROW) <a href="https://twitter.com/GRT_ROW/status/905464616687423488">September 6, 2017</a></blockquote>
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People are waiting at ion stops, too! 
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(09-06-2017, 12:17 PM)Markster Wrote: <blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Hi Mark, we're still waiting for final signoff to use the stop, as deficiencies are being addressed.</p>— Grand River Transit (@GRT_ROW) <a href="https://twitter.com/GRT_ROW/status/905464469832306689">September 6, 2017</a></blockquote>
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We're going to post some stop closed notices, as there's some confusion - even without bus stop signs, people are waiting there.</p>— Grand River Transit (@GRT_ROW) <a href="https://twitter.com/GRT_ROW/status/905464616687423488">September 6, 2017</a></blockquote>
How could they not have known this was going to be confusing. Honestly.
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Looking at the median travel time for the iXpress from Charles to Regina/Willis for 6am to 9am period it is 11min via Park, for the 7 from Charles to Regina/Willis it is 12min via King; not a huge difference overall, but enough to be noticeable and add up over the day.
The amount of slowing down would also depend on the trip too, because the minimum travel time for the iXpress is 7min (the 7:08am out of Charles is scheduled to arrive in Uptown at 7:15am) at a time when the 7, also leaving at 7:08, takes 13min to get to Uptown so that would be a higher cost to the iXpress. Surely if the 7 driver saw the iXpress about to leave at the same moment though the drivers would coordinate and let the iXpress go first.
Everyone move to the back of the bus and we all get home faster.
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(09-05-2017, 02:16 PM)MidTowner Wrote: There's a 'Buses Excepted' sign hanging for the left turn from eastbound King to northbound Victoria, though I don't think any route makes that turn. The same could be done for the left for the 200- just until Ion runs.
I haven't noticed an excepted sign on eastbound King, but there is certainly one on southbound Victoria. The 6 Bridge returning to Charles Terminal turns left from southbound Victoria to eastbound King, as does the 34 Bingemans, I believe.
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Yes, I was mistaken- Viewfromthe42 corrected me. And an exception on Victoria, as he pointed out too, is less impactful than on King, with only one lane each direction.
I still think it would be worth it to bring 200 service to King and Victoria. Operating the 200 on that short stretch of King would not have a huge impact on the 7, nor on motorists. But it's a very important spot and it should have excellent transit service.
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09-08-2017, 09:54 AM
(This post was last modified: 09-08-2017, 10:09 AM by yige_t.)
GRT has posted detailed information on the proposed 2018 network, including individual route maps (with detailed Downtown Kitchener routing), frequencies, interlining pattern.
http://www.grt.ca/en/about-grt/2018-tran...twork.aspx
Charles Terminal will be served by Route 7 and 34 only beyond 2018. Route 7 short turns would probably end up there, but with so many routes connecting at King/Frederick I hope they consider extending it just a bit further to turn around via King/Benton/Charles/Gaukel instead.
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This doesn't seem very grid-like to me, but obviously it's better in that respect. I wonder why the 3 exists. The 4 could have been extended to serve as a crosstown by taking Union, Margaret and Guelph, and provided coverage in the Breithaupt Park neighbourhood. Apart from there, the 3 doesn't travel anywhere other routes won't travel much more quickly- I wonder how long that jog past the bus depot will take?
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