ION - Waterloo Region's Light Rail Transit

[jeffster]

the fix takes so long because they have to fully disassemble the vehicles to redo the welds then fully reassemble the vehicles.

Wow, eh? Just got to hope this doesn't change the timing of the start-up date, but I can't see how it won't. I think we need 12 trains for full services, with 2 spares, until we start getting another shipment of trains, which I think is still a few years away. The only option is to send in 1 train at a time, and have only 1 spare, assuming our trains are defective, which is a very good chance they are.

[Bob_McBob]

the fix takes so long because they have to fully disassemble the vehicles to redo the welds then fully reassemble the vehicles.

Wow, eh? Just got to hope this doesn't change the timing of the start-up date, but I can't see how it won't. I think we need 12 trains for full services, with 2 spares, until we start getting another shipment of trains, which I think is still a few years away. The only option is to send in 1 train at a time, and have only 1 spare, assuming our trains are defective, which is a very good chance they are.

Why do you think there's a very good chance all our trains are defective? Weren't most of the frames built in Canada?

[trainspotter139]

Wow, eh? Just got to hope this doesn't change the timing of the start-up date, but I can't see how it won't. I think we need 12 trains for full services, with 2 spares, until we start getting another shipment of trains, which I think is still a few years away. The only option is to send in 1 train at a time, and have only 1 spare, assuming our trains are defective, which is a very good chance they are.

Why do you think there's a very good chance all our trains are defective? Weren't most of the frames built in Canada?

They were. in the very same plant that will be doing the rewelding on the TTC Streetcars

[jeffster]

Wow, eh? Just got to hope this doesn't change the timing of the start-up date, but I can't see how it won't. I think we need 12 trains for full services, with 2 spares, until we start getting another shipment of trains, which I think is still a few years away. The only option is to send in 1 train at a time, and have only 1 spare, assuming our trains are defective, which is a very good chance they are.

Why do you think there's a very good chance all our trains are defective? Weren't most of the frames built in Canada?

Were the frames for the TTC built in a different plant than the ones for the ION?

Also, is this simply a workmanship flaw, or is it a design flaw that might persist with the ION?

Whatever the case, there is an "Off Topic" discussion about the TTC over at redflagdeals, apparently each train would take 19 weeks to repair.
https://forums.redflagdeals.com/re-call-...s-2205345/

[Canard]

Jeffster, all the information you're looking for was in Ben's Star article.

2 weeks to travel to Quebec
12 weeks to repair
2 weeks to travel back
3 weeks of recomissioning
= 19 weeks

The TTC frames were primarily built in Bombardier's (acquired) plant in Sahagun, Mexico. After a number of problems in Thunder Bay fitting the frame elements together, they switched production to their plant at La Pocatiere, Quebec ("The Poke"). I think 501's frame (and the first two ML pilots) came from Sahagun, but our 502-514 were all fabbed in The Poke.

If something was wrong with 501, one would hope it would have been rectified when it was sent to Millhaven to match the others in the fleet.

On a positive note, 508 was loaded up today, and is about to head our way.

[trainspotter139]

Why do you think there's a very good chance all our trains are defective? Weren't most of the frames built in Canada?

Were the frames for the TTC built in a different plant than the ones for the ION?

Also, is this simply a workmanship flaw, or is it a design flaw that might persist with the ION?

Whatever the case, there is an "Off Topic" discussion about the TTC over at redflagdeals, apparently each train would take 19 weeks to repair.
https://forums.redflagdeals.com/re-call-...s-2205345/

1. For vehicles 502-514 I'm pretty sure the answer is yes.
2. It was a workmanship flaw from the Sahagun plant's welders (who had high employee turnover for the longest time) 
3. 4 weeks of that is shipping to/from La Pocatiere, 3 weeks is for recommissioning. The actual repair is a 12 week period. Source: https://twitter.com/BenSpurr/status/1014599713432227841

[bgb_ca]

On a positive note, 508 was loaded up today, and is about to head our way.

Yay!!!

[Pheidippides]

Making it a little harder for motorists not to notice the tracks in Uptown:
   
   
   

And expanding the sidewalk and eliminating a common illegal parking spot in front of McCabe's:
   

[tomh009]

On a positive note, 508 was loaded up today, and is about to head our way.

Does that mean that the Grandlinq equipment has been installed? Or it will be done here?

[Canard]

No, they don't have the specialized equipment installed.

[tomh009]

I guess 508 coming here will give us seven sets here, and another seven at Bombardier, so the work for the equipment install can be balanced between the two locations. And I am going to assume that the "specialized" equipment (isn't most of the equipment on our LRT specialized anyway?) hasn't arrived yet so its install hasn't started yet.

What's the correct term for this "specialized equipment" that we are waiting for? Signaling and communication equipment? Something else?

[bgb_ca]

Making it a little harder for motorists not to notice the tracks in Uptown:

Won't stop them. The other day I saw a vehicle pop out between King Street trio and earthwinds. Plus the hundreds of cars I've seen going down the tracks to and from the parking lot. I think the only thing that will stop them is a severe tire damage spike, and even then I doubt it will work.

[danbrotherston]

Making it a little harder for motorists not to notice the tracks in Uptown:

Won't stop them. The other day I saw a vehicle pop out between King Street trio and earthwinds. Plus the hundreds of cars I've seen going down the tracks to and from the parking lot. I think the only thing that will stop them is a severe tire damage spike, and even then I doubt it will work.

More confusing is why they chose to encourage this with a roll curb instead of a barrier curb.

[Square]

Red Light Cameras, but give tickets for driving in the do not enter areas, lol

[ijmorlan]

Making it a little harder for motorists not to notice the tracks in Uptown:

Won't stop them. The other day I saw a vehicle pop out between King Street trio and earthwinds. Plus the hundreds of cars I've seen going down the tracks to and from the parking lot. I think the only thing that will stop them is a severe tire damage spike, and even then I doubt it will work.

Automatic retracting bollards between the rails. Hook them into the railway the same as a normal crossing: when crossing gates would be active, lower the bollards. One on each side would pretty thoroughly block off the freight track from motor vehicle traffic. If needed, put normal permanent bollards on either side of the track, as close as possible without infringing on the freight loading gauge.