King-Victoria Transit Hub

[westwardloo]

When the province undertook the courthouse project, they did it with the plan that the courthouse they were building would suit the needs to the community for the next 40+ years. Look at the difference. We have one of the best court houses in the province. It exceeds our needs now.

As others have commented, there will be thousands of people using this service daily. What is proposed will be a financial liability. It will be outgrown in a decade or so and require massive money to rebuild on a site that already has a building.

I plan on writing my regional councilor with regards to the Region's lack of priority and focus on this project. As others have commented, these proposals are underwhelming at best. I encourage other members to write their councilors with their concerns.

One question I would ask here is in regards to the green space. As this lot is small to start out with, it strikes me that the green space is wasted space. Should we not be maximizing the space available in this location and not dedicating it to a seasonal use?

I do agree that the region should be working with the province to make sure that this is will accommodate the needs of the future ie. HFR/HSR. Unfortunately I don't think the current provincial government can see past Toronto and the 905, so I would expect anything from them. Metrolinx should step up and help with the design work and allow a shed to be built over the tracks, unfortunately they are preoccupied, building parking garages for suburban train stations. 

I think the region expects nothing from either of them until a new government is formed and they don't want to wait on this important regional infrastructure.

In terms of green space, Personally I want a public square, it creates a meeting place in the community. The site cornering king, victoria and water street is 2 acres. Carl zehr Square as an example is about 1/2 and acre so I do think that it will be a big enough size that it won't feel like a parkette.

[tomh009]

When the province undertook the courthouse project, they did it with the plan that the courthouse they were building would suit the needs to the community for the next 40+ years. Look at the difference. We have one of the best court houses in the province. It exceeds our needs now.

As others have commented, there will be thousands of people using this service daily. What is proposed will be a financial liability. It will be outgrown in a decade or so and require massive money to rebuild on a site that already has a building.

I plan on writing my regional councilor with regards to the Region's lack of priority and focus on this project. As others have commented, these proposals are underwhelming at best. I encourage other members to write their councilors with their concerns.

I really don't see why this would be outgrown in a decade. It'll handle two tracks for GO (westbound and eastbound) and one track for VIA/whatever. There will normally be people waiting for at most two trains. I can't see any expansion in the number of tracks into Kitchener in the next 20 years or so. I don't see why this station design would not have the capacity to handle this, regardless of the GO frequency. Can you please elaborate why it would need to be torn down?

Why do you think this doesn't have sufficient priority? What is not getting done?

[taylortbb]

I got a response from my emails to the project coordinator. They say that the full set of renders, including interior ones, will be posted on EngageWR in the next day or two.

[tomh009]

I got a response from my emails to the project coordinator. They say that the full set of renders, including interior ones, will be posted on EngageWR in the next day or two.

Thanks!

[ijmorlan]

I really don't see why this would be outgrown in a decade. It'll handle two tracks for GO (westbound and eastbound) and one track for VIA/whatever. There will normally be people waiting for at most two trains. I can't see any expansion in the number of tracks into Kitchener in the next 20 years or so. I don't see why this station design would not have the capacity to handle this, regardless of the GO frequency. Can you please elaborate why it would need to be torn down?

Why do you think this doesn't have sufficient priority? What is not getting done?

I believe GO can run trains 15 minutes apart on their tracks. If I have that right, 2 tracks allows 15 minute service in each direction, which is so much more service than we have now that it’s hard to imagine. Going above that level of service would probably be best handled by extending a different route to Cambridge, rather than just by cramming as much traffic as possible through Kitchener.

I can’t see us outgrowing a 3-platform station in the foreseeable future.

You might convince me that the design should allow for more platforms — maybe we eventually want to max out the number of trains on a 2-track mainline; given dwell times at the station, trains on one mainline track might need to alternate platforms at the station. But even just the 3 platforms planned would really allow for a lot more trains than anybody is planning to fund anytime soon.

[ac3r]

This PDF has some sketches of the interior as well as views from the King/Victoria intersection which give a bit more detail than the photos posted above. If WZMH Architects is doing this project indeed, it could be a lot better than these sketches are implying. They've done some of the biggest projects across Canada, including the CN Tower and Scotia Plaza.

[taylortbb]

This PDF has some sketches of the interior as well as views from the King/Victoria intersection which give a bit more detail than the photos posted above. If WZMH Architects is doing this project indeed, it could be a lot better than these sketches are implying. They've done some of the biggest projects across Canada, including the CN Tower and Scotia Plaza.

Glad to see that posted. Those are the boards from the public consultation that I've been hoping to see. I feel like the interior renders make the floor plans a lot more understandable, especially the huge staircases up to the second floor platform access.

[jordan2423]

Everyone make sure to fill out the Transit hub design review survey! Provide some input for the project architect!! Voice your opinions!!!
Very important!

https://www.engagewr.ca/king-victoria-tr...6#tool_tab

[KevinT]

Unfortunately I didn't take a picture of the board with the interior renders, but here's the external (as uploaded) and their conceptual future site.

I wish the Rate button still worked for me, that render was great to see and I really appreciate you sharing it, thanks!

[tomh009]

Unfortunately I didn't take a picture of the board with the interior renders, but here's the external (as uploaded) and their conceptual future site.

I wish the Rate button still worked for me, that render was great to see and I really appreciate you sharing it, thanks!

The Rate button doesn't work for you? What happens when you click it? (It does work for me, normally using Edge on Windows 10.)

[taylortbb]

For future preservation, here are the floor plans. I'll post the renders in another post due to attachment limits.

Concept A
   
Concept B
   

[taylortbb]

Concept A Renders

                   

[taylortbb]

Concept B Renders

   
   
   
   
   

[ijmorlan]

For future preservation, here are the floor plans. I'll post the renders in another post due to attachment limits.

I’d like to see some professionally-done conceptual floor plans. These make it look like not only the bus terminal and parking, but also nearby streets, will all be double-decker after this is built.

[tomh009]

I liked Concept A's original outside renders.

Having seen the interior renders now, I like Concept A even more: the interior looks great with the large swooping ceiling and a big open area in front of the stairs.