Region of Waterloo International Airport - YKF

[plam]

There are no restrictions on domestic flights at the moment (as far as I know). But I personally know many people who are holding off flying until the COVID situation stabilizes (again). And, yes, companies are limiting corporate travel for the same reason.

 I was supposed to go to Winnipeg next weekend but the event got cancelled, and then to Quebec City two weeks after that. So, yes.

[ac3r]

There are no restrictions on domestic flights at the moment (as far as I know). But I personally know many people who are holding off flying until the COVID situation stabilizes (again). And, yes, companies are limiting corporate travel for the same reason.

Vaccination is mandatory for both domestic and international flights (as well as rail trips): https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/travel...tic-travel

[tomh009]

There are no restrictions on domestic flights at the moment (as far as I know). But I personally know many people who are holding off flying until the COVID situation stabilizes (again). And, yes, companies are limiting corporate travel for the same reason.

Vaccination is mandatory for both domestic and international flights (as well as rail trips): https://travel.gc.ca/travel-covid/travel...tic-travel

Yes. But given that nearly 90% of adults are vaccinated, that is not going to be a big hit on travel volumes. If anything, it will make the vaccinated people more comfortable about traveling.

[Rainrider22]

Pivot is growing again with more investment in Kitchener...

https://www.waterlooairport.ca/Modules/N...a1a6c47915

[panamaniac]

Pivot is growing again with more investment in Kitchener...

https://www.waterlooairport.ca/Modules/N...a1a6c47915

You mean Flair.

[jeffster]

Pivot is growing again with more investment in Kitchener...

https://www.waterlooairport.ca/Modules/N...a1a6c47915

Nice -- I always wanted to check out NFLD in the summer. Looks like I have to start saving money.

[ac3r]

The Feds are threatening Flair's license to operate claiming the company may not be Canadian: https://www.therecord.com/news/waterloo-...cence.html

[tomh009]

The Feds are threatening Flair's license to operate claiming the company may not be Canadian: https://www.therecord.com/news/waterloo-...cence.html

The US company holds a majority of the board seats. That's not very good for demonstrating that it's Canadian-controlled.

[SammyOES]

I was hoping to read the decision but it seems like it’s still private?

The board seats seems bad and so does the arrangement where the foreign owner also provides the planes.

[taylortbb]

The board seats seems bad and so does the arrangement where the foreign owner also provides the planes.

Leasing airplanes from foreign companies is super common. Major Canadian carriers like Air Canada lease significant numbers of their planes, often from foreign firms. I think the board seats are more likely to be the issue, though if there were unusual leasing terms that could be a problem.

[dtkvictim]

I was hoping to read the decision but it seems like it’s still private?

The board seats seems bad and so does the arrangement where the foreign owner also provides the planes.

I suppose you can argue that a minority foreign owner being the same entity that the planes are leased from gives that entity an outsized amount of control. But otherwise, my understanding is that leasing planes from (potentially) foreign companies is just the way modern airlines work.

[danbrotherston]

I was hoping to read the decision but it seems like it’s still private?

The board seats seems bad and so does the arrangement where the foreign owner also provides the planes.

I suppose you can argue that a minority foreign owner being the same entity that the planes are leased from gives that entity an outsized amount of control. But otherwise, my understanding is that leasing planes from (potentially) foreign companies is just the way modern airlines work.

Yes, most airlines lease planes, this is a big issue in Russia right now.

But if the leasing terms included controlling interest in the company, that would be a different story.

[bravado]

The Feds are threatening Flair's license to operate claiming the company may not be Canadian: https://www.therecord.com/news/waterloo-...cence.html

The US company holds a majority of the board seats. That's not very good for demonstrating that it's Canadian-controlled.

Whew, glad we avoided having cheap flights! It was a close call, but local consumers are safe now.

[SammyOES]

I was hoping to read the decision but it seems like it’s still private?

The board seats seems bad and so does the arrangement where the foreign owner also provides the planes.

I suppose you can argue that a minority foreign owner being the same entity that the planes are leased from gives that entity an outsized amount of control. But otherwise, my understanding is that leasing planes from (potentially) foreign companies is just the way modern airlines work.

Yeah, it’s the non-arms length relationship that’s the potential problem to me not the leasing in and of itself.

[SammyOES]

Aside from knowing what the problem is, I’m interested in knowing why it’s a problem *now* and wasn’t before things got off the ground.

That’s part of the reason I feel like it has to be more than just the board seats. That’s a simple and clear situation that should have been obvious to everyone (including regulators) from the start.

But who knows how these processes work.